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    Default Does your livery stable limit who you can get lessons from?

    I'm trying to make sense of this one so bear with me. I part livery at a riding school facility. Last year we had a couple of visiting instructors- quite advanced- I took lessons with. This year no one has visited but when a fellow livery booked a (different) instructor to visit she was advised she could not use him and in fact that she would have to lesson with the school instructors.. I'm getting this information third hand so all I can say is insurance was quoted as the issue...

    Would the riding school insurance prohibit an external instructor from coming or do you think its more likely to be an issue with the visiting instructors insurance...?

    This has thrown me... I'm not interested in lessoning with the resident instructors. They just seem to operate at quite a basic level (I've listened to lessons). I'm wondering what I'll do in future. Anyone had a similar experience?

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    Default Re: Does your livery stable limit who you can get lessons from?

    If there are pro instructors resident on the yard, it's very common to forbid others from coming on. It's usually financial, but if the yard doesn't know an instructor I can see how questions of competency / liability might arise in the event of an accident.

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    Default Re: Does your livery stable limit who you can get lessons from?

    I know some do have rules on outside instructors, I personally don't stop anyone from having who ever they want, You get a rapport with an instructor and it can be very hard to relate/get on with another

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    I suspect it has more to do with loss of income, a visiting instructor using the facilities and the YO not benefiting in any way than an insurance issue, as long as the instructor has insurance there should be no problem but the RS gains nothing, if things are tight they will want liveries using on site instructors.
    Maybe get together a group of liveries and offer to run a clinic where everyone pays a bit towards using the arena or offer a small amount to bring in an instructor of your choice so you can have exclusive use of the arena for the set time, usually one reason for keeping your horse on a yard is to take advantage of the resident trainer being there to teach without having to travel the horse.

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    Default Re: Does your livery stable limit who you can get lessons from?

    I have seen this at a livery yard my mum was on years ago. It was run by an instructor who wouldn't let anyone else teach, even liveries giving other liveries suggestions was frowned on. Although she did occasionally arrange clinics with external instructors but only the ones she chose. She was an awful instructor as well I mean truely awful not just basic.
    Most people boxed out for lessons and a very brave few hired the school at the going rate and argued they could do what they liked on their time.
    Any instructor should have their own insurance and I presume you have yours so unless they're worried about their property being damaged and not covered (but I presume you can normally ride in there unsupervised) I doubt insurance is the reason.

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    Default Re: Does your livery stable limit who you can get lessons from?

    On my yard there is no limit, the YO does lessons but there are lots of different instructors who come and give different liveries lessons.

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    Default Re: Does your livery stable limit who you can get lessons from?

    I part loaned at a yard where the YO (completely unhorsey-didn't know what someone meant when they said hoof..) completely refused to allow any instructor on the yard. Reason?

    'Why should anyone else make money off my business?' 😂

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    Default Re: Does your livery stable limit who you can get lessons from?

    Thanks all... worst case scenario I can pop horse on box and go to a trainer but I'm definitely a bit taken aback at this turn of events... Yes I can see that there's an income stream there for the instructors and owners but as I say several of the liveries have 20+ years in the saddle, compete regularly and would look to lesson with more advanced specialist coaches than those in residence. Some have had lessons with the same instructor for years.

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    Default Re: Does your livery stable limit who you can get lessons from?

    At our yard you can have lessons with whoever you like. Although on one occasion a couple of us complained that a visiting instructor was being over zealous with the whip while riding a livery's young horse and left bloody spur marks on her flank. YM banned the instructor and suggested very strongly to the livery that they may wish to choose a trainer with a better attitude.
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    I've recently moved yards and this was one of the issues that prompted the move. One of the liveries, insured and qualified, was told they couldn't give me or any other liveries lessons.We were told we must use the resident teacher as we were taking business away from him.... It was a big yard and if all the liveries had wanted lessons with him, he wouldn't have slept. Visiting teachers continued to come to the yard but it could be atmospheric and Made things uncomfortable. My current small yard has a brilliant manager can teache to a high level, but welcomes all other teachers....not every teacher gets on with every pupil so it's a no brainer isn't it?
    Last edited by Summer pudding; 11-01-17 at 11:25 PM.

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