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    There are many reasons to ban Fracking.

    One very good reason is the matter of Private Water supplies and Ground Surface water that horses inevitably drink. Where mains water is not supplied.

    I say inevitably because 'inevitably' water that has come into contact with Fracking and the chemicals that are used, inevitably and eventually comes to the surface.

    Why the equine world and industry has not been far more proactive is a mystery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judgemental View Post
    There are many reasons to ban Fracking.

    One very good reason is the matter of Private Water supplies and Ground Surface water that horses inevitably drink. Where mains water is not supplied.

    I say inevitably because 'inevitably' water that has come into contact with Fracking and the chemicals that are used, inevitably and eventually comes to the surface.

    Why the equine world and industry has not been far more proactive is a mystery.
    Equally the same applies to drinking water in streams, ponds and burns for cattle, sheep and deer.

    Particularly considering the deep aquifers.

    Aquifer - Wikipedia
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    An aquifer is an underground layer of water-bearing permeable rock, rock fractures or unconsolidated materials (gravel, sand, or silt) from which groundwater can be extracted using a water well. The study of water flow in aquifers and the characterization of aquifers is called hydrogeology.
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    From The Rotherham Advertiser:

    'Bypassed' planners accuse fracking firm of arrogance

    By Gareth Dennison | 25/01/2018

    'Bypassed' planners accuse fracking firm of arrogance
    Cllr Alan Atkin

    ROTHERHAM’S planning board chairman held back tears as he defended council officers from criticism by fracking firm Ineos.

    Emotional Cllr Alan Atkin said the way RMBC staff had been treated by the chemical company was “appalling”.

    Ineos appealed against non-determination, claiming the council had taken too long to make a decision on the Harthill drilling application.

    The move came weeks after RMBC stated that it was minded to refuse the application because of fears about road access.

    The planning board met today to discuss what evidence it will take to the Planning Inspectorate’s public inquiry, where the decision will be made.

    Cllr Atkin said: “Our planning officers are some of the best in Britain. They have been treated badly by Ineos and, quite frankly, it’s shameful.

    “We’ve got many testimonials from people up and down the country to say that our officers bend over backwards to help developers.”

    Vice chairman Cllr Simon Tweed told the meeting: “I’m very sorry to the people of Harthill that we’re not here as a planning board, being able to make the decision.

    “These planning officers, to say they delayed this application is absolutely rubbish. All they did was give Ineos more time.

    “Ineos didn’t want the planning board members to make this decision.”

    Cllr Jenny Whysall said: “Ineos have denied public democracy. I think they have acted very badly on that score.”

    And Cllr Richard Price added: “I’m quite shocked by what appears to be contempt by Ineos for local democracy. It kind of stinks of corporate greed and arrogance.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judgemental View Post
    From The Rotherham Advertiser:

    'Bypassed' planners accuse fracking firm of arrogance

    By Gareth Dennison | 25/01/2018

    'Bypassed' planners accuse fracking firm of arrogance
    Cllr Alan Atkin

    ROTHERHAM’S planning board chairman held back tears as he defended council officers from criticism by fracking firm Ineos.

    Emotional Cllr Alan Atkin said the way RMBC staff had been treated by the chemical company was “appalling”.

    Ineos appealed against non-determination, claiming the council had taken too long to make a decision on the Harthill drilling application.

    The move came weeks after RMBC stated that it was minded to refuse the application because of fears about road access.

    The planning board met today to discuss what evidence it will take to the Planning Inspectorate’s public inquiry, where the decision will be made.

    Cllr Atkin said: “Our planning officers are some of the best in Britain. They have been treated badly by Ineos and, quite frankly, it’s shameful.

    “We’ve got many testimonials from people up and down the country to say that our officers bend over backwards to help developers.”

    Vice chairman Cllr Simon Tweed told the meeting: “I’m very sorry to the people of Harthill that we’re not here as a planning board, being able to make the decision.

    “These planning officers, to say they delayed this application is absolutely rubbish. All they did was give Ineos more time.

    “Ineos didn’t want the planning board members to make this decision.”

    Cllr Jenny Whysall said: “Ineos have denied public democracy. I think they have acted very badly on that score.”

    And Cllr Richard Price added: “I’m quite shocked by what appears to be contempt by Ineos for local democracy. It kind of stinks of corporate greed and arrogance.”
    A visit to Twitter and enter either Jim Ratcliffe and/or Ineos in the search box is to say the least, frightening!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judgemental View Post
    A visit to Twitter and enter either Jim Ratcliffe and/or Ineos in the search box is to say the least, frightening!
    102544 views. That must be some sort of a record on this Forum?

    Fracking and all that it entails will become a highly vexed subject.
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    Undoubtedly Fracking is a complete disaster for water supplies!

    From The Sheffield Telegraph 13 February 2018.

    "Ron Coyle, new CEO of Ineos Shale made one really scary remark. This former US army captain stated that there is enough gas underground to “meet the UK’s energy demands for over 100 years”. Up to now the frackers’ propaganda has been to reassure the authorities that shale gas is for short-term energy security, to bridge a supposed 20 – to 40-year gap between the end of North Sea oil and renewable sources. Coyle’s promise of 100 years of fracking is a very different ball game. Do the maths? A fracking Licence Area is a 6x6 mile block. Within each block, 15 to 30 well pads could be built in the next few years. To take the Marsh Lane ‘test’ site as an example, picture the countryside and villages between Norton to Staveley, or Mosborough to Dronfield infected by a pox of such ‘pads. Each well up to two miles deep and capable of penetrating horizontally for another mile. It would then be ’fractured’ with a high pressure blast’ of a water/chemical mix to get the gas to flow. Eight to 12 wells could be sunk from each pad, say 150 per block. Ineos has purchased rights to 20 such licence blocks within 30 miles of Sheffield and another 40 within 60-80 miles. You do the maths. The company boasts an ambition to become the major player in fracking across England, snapping up weaker competitors as they fail. This tactic has been repeated again and again in the last 20 years to make Coyle’s ultimate boss, rags-to-riches Jim Ratcliffe, one of the richest men in Britain at 6 billion. Fracking will not reduce our gas bills. Some of the shale gas from here will be piped to Ineos’s massive petro-chemical works in Scotland. There they are the leading UK manufacturer of non-recyclable plastics. Plastic pollution starts at Grangemouth. Sir David Attenborough should be told. A turning point? Within the UK only England remains open to fracking. Wales, Ireland, France, Germany, and several states in the USA have already banned it. Four months ago Ineos were kicked in the teeth by the Scottish government’s vote for a moratorium on fracking, despite the company’s near stranglehold over Scotland’s fuel economy. Ratcliffe, Coyle and Co are desperate to secure an advanced toehold in the Sheffield region before the political tide turns against them in England under a weakened Tory government. Last week in the Derbyshire County Planning Committee, Tory and Labour councillors united nine to one, not to support the application to sink a ‘test’ shale gas well at Marsh Lane. Short-term victory, but Ineos is determined to bulldoze over local opinion. Battle resumes in four months with the government’s Planning Inspectorate. This is a question of democracy and who has the power. It is not just NIMBY moaning, or ‘lefty-green’ environmental fantasy. It is about how much power can private firms be allowed to wield for their own profit in the face of public opinion? England should follow the lead of the nations around us – the whole UK should be frack-free"

    Read more at: https://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk...ears-1-9015598
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    Fracking updates appreciated, Judgemental. It's a worrying issue.

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    OH does a neutral presentation to local groups about fracking.

    The essence of the presentation can be summed up as follows.

    Fracking has a high impact on the local area while it is operation but this is associated with a local economic boom.


    Fracking has a high visual impact on the local area when compete, with concrete beds and storage tanks close together in largely rural areas.

    There are a number of concerns about potential pollution but they are much lower than activists would have you believe. Lower does not mean non-existent. Wells are, for example far below the aquifers and in theory cannot contaminate them - unless the cladding on the drill hole fails higer up (Deepwater Horizon).

    On a national level, we may in future be unable to power and feed the country without it, in which case it would be a necessity which overrides all local planning and environmental considerations.

    Fracking is not currently economically viable. Even in the vast shale beds in the US, wells are failing earlier than expected, and new wells are being financed with new investment, not with any profit (because there is none) from existing operations.

    Hope that helps. Any mistakes are OHs, not mine but I can provide the presentation and data if anyone wants a copy. PM your email address. If you are local, he doesn't charge for the presentation to charities.

    PS we are right on the Cheshire basin fracking area and can see the lorries going into a test drill site that is being kept quiet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fburton View Post
    Fracking updates appreciated, Judgemental. It's a worrying issue.
    The geography of the British Isles is far too small and condensed to cope with contamination of water supplied due to Fracking.

    Whereas the geography and topography of the United States and huge distances, mitigates the damage and risk.

    Anybody with a private water supply should automatically oppose Fracking
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    There is a remarkable paradox contained in the issue of Fracking, The National Trust and the latter's issue when it comes to hunting. Wake up folks, your land is no longer your land or the water thereon or thereunder.

    "Ineos given permission to take High Court action for fracking survey

    By Press Association

    Published: 16:53, 22 February 2018 | Updated: 16:53, 22 February 2018

    A bid by energy giant Ineos to carry out a fracking survey on National Trust land is to be heard in court.

    The company has been granted permission to pursue its application to undertake a geophysical survey in Clumber Park, Nottinghamshire, to the High Court.

    Lynn Calder, commercial director of Ineos Shale, said: “Legal action has been the last resort and we have used powers which prevent landowners from blocking projects which benefit the wider community and the nation as a whole.

    Ineos to take legal action to allow access for shale survey at Clumber Park (National Trust/PA)

    Ineos to take legal action to allow access for shale survey at Clumber Park (National Trust/PA)

    “These surveys are both routine and necessary across the UK, including on National Trust land.

    “The National Trust’s position is very disappointing as we have had positive relationships with a range of stakeholders and landowners during surveys.

    “We have addressed a variety of stakeholder concerns in the past and are sorry the National Trust wouldn’t even have discussions with us in this case owing to a political objection to shale gas.”

    The National Trust said: “Our founding principle is to protect the beautiful places in our care, and we believe Ineos has not yet followed the proper planning process, which would involve them fully considering the potential environmental impacts.

    “Clumber Park is a Grade I listed park and gardens, much of which is a Site of Special Scientific Interest, and visited by over half a million people each year.

    “In our view, Ineos haven’t demonstrated to the Trust why it is necessary to carry out any surveys here or address our other reasons for refusing to grant access.

    “We have no wish for our land to play any part in extracting gas or oil. We are already seeing the impacts of climate change at many of our places, and we have launched a programme to dramatically cut our own fossil fuel usage at our properties.”

    Ineos said if shale gas proves to be successful it provides the UK economy with competitive energy as well as investment and jobs in the North of England.

    Guy Shrubsole, Friends of the Earth campaigner, said: “A huge fracking firm suing the National Trust to test for shale gas within the historic Sherwood Forest area will make people wonder what is sacred any more.

    “The spirit of Robin Hood will be bridling at these bully-boy tactics.”
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