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    Default Welcome to HHO Towing Clinic

    After the recent poll by perfect11s:
    http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forum...d.php?t=489592

    Many agreed a sticky would be very useful, but the format needed to change to avoid the confusion/arguments.

    At the end of the above thread, ROG kindly agreed to help run a Towing Clinic for those who find the laws & limitations as confusing as I did.


    Here is an example of how it will work:-


    "If a member on here was to provide me with the relevant info then I can say whether the set up is legal or not on either a B or BE licence and WHY

    I would need -
    1 - What licence they hold - B or BE
    2 - Unladen/empty weight of the towing vehicle
    3 - GVW of the towing vehicle
    4 - GTW and/or towing capacity of the towing vehicle
    5 - Plated MAM of the trailer or if no plate then the load rating on the tyres
    6 - Unladen/empty weight of the trailer "

    - ROG

    "I'll start here first...

    1. B+E Licence
    2. 2410kg (this is kerbweight/unladen right?)
    3. 3450kg (not too sure about this - what does it mean? Max load of vehicle?)
    4. 2500kg (Capacity)
    5. 1905kg (HB505)
    6. 905kg

    Thanks ROG. "


    - tallyho!

    "LEGAL

    1 - max vehicle GVW of 3500 (you got 3450) and max trailer MAM of 3500 (you got 1905)
    2 - correct - usually listed in handbook
    3 - correct - number 2 (2410) with full load of 1040 (2410+1040=3450)
    4 - max weight of empty trailer plus the load on it
    5 minus 6 1905-905=1000 so 1000 is the max load that can be loaded onto the trailer

    5 is much lower than 4 so a fully laden trailler weighing 1905 is well within the max towing capacity of 2500

    Your max combination weight would be 5355 with that set up (3450+1905=5355) but you could go up to 5950 if you got a trailer with a MAM of at least 2500 (up to 3500)

    ADD - the problem in getting a trailer with a greater MAM could be that it is heavier when empty so getting a 3500 MAM trailer which weighed 1500 empty still only allows you a max payload of 1000 because of the 2500 towing capacity limit for your vehicle

    If you are happy with the trailer load capacity of 1000 then great! "

    -ROG

    Hope that makes sense and you find it useful. Any questions about using the clinic, please PM me so we can keep the clinic running as smoothly as possible.

    Useful Links:
    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...es/DG_10013073

    http://www.uktow.com/towing%20capaci...ke=Nissan#tab1

    http://www.towinghorsetrailers.co.uk/index.htm

    TYRE LOAD RATINGS calculate KGS by multiplying the number of tyres

    ROG's thread: http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forum...d.php?t=475968
    Last edited by Forum Admin Team; 17-10-11 at 11:48 AM. Reason: Add useful link
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    TOWING CLINIC
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    Default Re: Welcome to HHO Towing Clinic

    Yes good work Tallyho! thanks for taking the trouble to put it together.. and Rog for making the generous offer to help people , now we just need to get admin's opinion and see if they will do a sticky, anyone know the best way to go about contacting the right person?????
    Last edited by perfect11s; 15-10-11 at 08:19 AM.

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    Default Re: Welcome to HHO Towing Clinic

    Nicely put together tallyho! and I'll second perfect11s comments

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    Thanks to you both too - sent you both pm's to keep thread straightforwrd
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    TOWING CLINIC
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    Default Re: Welcome to HHO Towing Clinic

    a really great idea glad it came into formation. I am literally just about to move up to a lorry but have previously found the rules/laws regarding towing very confusing so I am sure this will help a lot of people kudos to the knowledgeable towing lot!

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    Well done for your effort and thank you!

    So here we go. I've got a disco r reg auto

    B
    2065kg
    2720kg
    3500kg braked
    1600kg
    767kg

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    Default Re: Welcome to HHO Towing Clinic

    Quote Originally Posted by Mucky Shavings View Post
    B
    2065kg
    2720kg
    3500kg braked
    1600kg
    767kg
    ILLEGAL on a B licence

    2720+1600=4320 which is more than the 3500 allowed for B when towing a trailer of more than 750 MAM

    With that towing vehicle you need to have a trailer plated at no more than 780 (2720+780=3500)
    HHO TOWING CLINIC = http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forum...d.php?t=490195
    HHO LGV (HGV) CLINIC = http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forum...d.php?t=555565
    Email alerts for CLINICS
    Guide to Safe & Legal Towing = http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/
    VOSA guide for horsebox and horse trailer owners = http://www.vosa.gov.uk/guide-for-horsebox-owners
    Members vehicle & trailer combinations = http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forum...er-do-you-have

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    I wouldn't have a clue what half of those numbers are.....

    I have a discovery (III), an IW505 and the maximum I will tow is 2 x 500kg horses. I have the pre '97 licence, (which I am pretty sure is B+E!). I am 99.9% sure I am legal.....I have always thought that with the discovery I could pretty much pack the trailer with whatever I could and still be legal!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maisy View Post
    I wouldn't have a clue what half of those numbers are.....

    I have a discovery (III), an IW505 and the maximum I will tow is 2 x 500kg horses. I have the pre '97 licence, (which I am pretty sure is B+E!). I am 99.9% sure I am legal.....I have always thought that with the discovery I could pretty much pack the trailer with whatever I could and still be legal!?
    Those numbers are weights in KGs and can be easily found in the handbook or if not got one then by searching online for your exact vehicle and its specifications

    If you can give me the exact year and model of your disco then I can find those specifications for you to fill in Qs 2, 3 + 4

    The 505 - http://www.horsetrailersales.co.uk/NewIforHB505.htm is plated at Maximum Gross Weight 2340 and Unladen Weight 905

    So this would be your list so far -
    1 - B+E (pre 97 licence)
    2 - ?
    3 - ?
    4 - ?
    5 - 2340
    6 - 905
    Last edited by ROG; 15-10-11 at 08:50 PM.
    HHO TOWING CLINIC = http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forum...d.php?t=490195
    HHO LGV (HGV) CLINIC = http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forum...d.php?t=555565
    Email alerts for CLINICS
    Guide to Safe & Legal Towing = http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/
    VOSA guide for horsebox and horse trailer owners = http://www.vosa.gov.uk/guide-for-horsebox-owners
    Members vehicle & trailer combinations = http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forum...er-do-you-have

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    Default Re: Welcome to HHO Towing Clinic

    My car is a '56' plate (does that mean the year is 2006!?), and is a TDV6...

    :-)

    As you can tell, I don't know much about cars.....

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