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    Default Pelvic area pain....what next (long sorry!)

    My horse has had so many issues in the 6 months of ownership:-

    - he always had a stuffy choppy gait and looked like he had been ridden in draw reins. I had him worked on by an osteo (Gavin Scofield) who is very good and said his back muscles (lumbar area) were so tense he was surprised he allowed himself to be ridden - also found tightness in one shoulder.
    - he was only ridden for a few weeks at walk - long and low to stretch his muscles
    - he started displaying terrifically aggressive behaviour very early on - I mean really really nasty - biting kicking and striking
    - I had him scoped for ulcers and yes low grade ones found - he was turned away and out on high fibre diet and gastrogard.
    - I found out some history and he has been abused - accounting for his aggression
    - also to say had some controvery here over the behaviour - I believed he had pain and other 'more experienced horse folk' said that I was acting scared and hence he was so aggressive toward me
    - he has been off work since early January (then it had only been light work)
    -I had an AC done and an iridology report and both confirmed a fall/old injury to right side stifle and pelvis out both sides. Put him on daily supplements of Devils Claw and Relax Me calmer. He said in the AC that he found ridden work too painful (very last time ridden he bucked so hard 4 times with my daughter on board - only walking around!). He is a very demonstrative horse and tells you what ***es him off!
    - he hated being stabled (probably abused in one) and he kicked out the side wall in one of ours. This will have hurt his pelvis I am sure.
    - he has gone onto summer grazing and he completely changed personality since. No threats no ears, no faces no biting - very loving - amazing!!
    - a friend started working him daily 2 weeks ago and he has been really willing and keen - doing join up and general ground work - making him back up etc.
    - He is still not moving right or freely (he has fab conformation and should move really well)
    - I had a shaiatsu practitioner out who got very emotional working on him due to his sad past. She found pain in his pelvic region and said this could be a long haul
    - I rang my supportive vet who said we could scan - but really could do with a lameness work up first to justify that. She knows of the iridology and shiatsu etc.
    We have agreed on a pain trial of Danilon for a month and if that starts to work and he lets himself be touched all over again (meant to meantion he suddenly didn't want to be touched again after such a positive start with my friend). Then we would try a McTimoney practitioner to relieve him.
    I don't actually care how long it takes to fix him, but I have the summer window for this experienced friend to work with him and I don't want her to stop now even if he is not to be ridden for months. I see this groundwork as mentally stimulating and quite necessary for him.
    I am upset really because ideally I would want Gavin to continue to treat him given his reputation, but he is so popular he only holds clinics and I refuse to travel my horse for over an hour to get him treated, as this would imo potentially undo all the work done by Gavin. It's a dreadful route too and very bumpy.
    Does this 'plan' sound feasible? Can anyone make any other suggestions or throw in advice experiences good or bad.

    I so want to see this poor horse come right. I can't have him be in pain. I know some of it maybe that the ground is rock hard - he has done virtually nothing for 6 months except potentially irritate an old injury site through kicking the stable wall and now he is being worked albeit only on the ground 5 days a week. I am getting woodchip put down in the roundpen we use tomorrow to make it more comfortable . He is barefoot. Arghhhh.

    A pimms and melt in the middle choc pudding for anyone getting this far!!!
    Last edited by YasandCrystal; 18-05-11 at 03:03 PM.


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    Default Re: Pelvic area pain....what next (long sorry!)

    bump anyone?


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    Default Re: Pelvic area pain....what next (long sorry!)

    I feel for you! It is such a shame that some people who really care for their horses are the one's who seem to have most problems, me being one of them.

    How long have you had your horse and has he always been like it since you have owned him? In all honesty some horses will never be right and all the love and treatment in the world can't help them.

    Have you thought about turning him away for a year, out to grass or certainly for as long as possible. Maybe he just needs time to heal. I was going to take my mare to Gavin last year before she was diagnosed and had the op for kissing spine. I might still see if I can get an appointment with him as I have heard he is very good.

    I'm sorry but I'm not being of much help really other than to say that sometimes us owners are so keen to get our horses better in our desperation to ride that we don;t always give them enough time.

    If he is insured then I would go through the whole lameness workup, scan, xray etc route to see if that throws up anything, other than that, I can't really make any more suggestions. Good luck though with what ever you do.

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    Default Re: Pelvic area pain....what next (long sorry!)

    Did the AC pin point any areas of pain etc?? I used to have Gavin for mine a lovely chap just couldnt get down to the root of the problem untill I find my AC all Q's ending up with good and bad outcomes! Hope you mange to get it all sorted out soon.

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    Default Re: Pelvic area pain....what next (long sorry!)

    What is an AC?

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    Default Re: Pelvic area pain....what next (long sorry!)

    Ha ha, an AC is a witch doctor (or animal communicator if you believe in such things).


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    Default Re: Pelvic area pain....what next (long sorry!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Box_Of_Frogs View Post
    Ha ha, an AC is a witch doctor (or animal communicator if you believe in such things).
    As is an iridologist.

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    Default Re: Pelvic area pain....what next (long sorry!)

    Thanks for your replies, iridology is I believe a science and used for humans and animals alike. It looks at the markings in the eyes and each relate to different body area very much along the lines of the meridians in acupunture, reflexology etc.

    I must say that the communication, the iridology and Gavin Scofield ALL found the same - that the horse has an old injury/stiffness around the right pelvis. Funny that!

    My horse is rising 6 years old - I have had him since September. He has done very very little with us since then - just long and low ridden work only in walk and nothing since January.
    As for history - I have managed to find out most of his sad and sorry tale and I know for sure he was abused ridden and on the ground and started too young at 3 yrs old. I am never going to get the whole truth though let's face it since he has been abused. He is extremely well bred, hence so much was expected of him.
    I am reluctant to turn him away completely as he had this dreadfully aggressive temperament and now he seems to be trusting us I believe that some reinforced groundwork is imperative as long as he his not being forced to trot or do anything to cause him pain.
    My vet said that yes she could go the lameness work up route and then scan etc. I wouldnt have steroid injections in the spine if it came to that, but the shockwave treatment sounds good.
    I suppose I just want a prognosis from those with experience of pelvic related problems.


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    Default Re: Pelvic area pain....what next (long sorry!)

    To be totally honest I don't understand why you haven't already had the lameness work up?
    so that would be what I would do

    Sounds like a lot of love and money has been spent on him I hope you do manage to help him

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    Default Re: Pelvic area pain....what next (long sorry!)

    I'm sorry to hear about your horse and what he has been through.
    He sounds alot like my last horse. He had been badly treated and had some behaviour issues resulting from this. But after he was turned out 24/7 and with herds of horses these issues got much better. And he also had a bad spell of health including a plevis issue.
    He had a misbalance in his pelvis which my physio said had come from him chipping a piece of pelvic bone off as a youngster and the muscles never developed. We worked through this and he got better with specific exercises the physio gave me. Around 6 months later my horse escaped out the field due to the conditions my previous yard put my horse under and he fell on landing. Ended up on 4 months boxrest due to a eye ulcer and he also inserted shoulder blade into his ribcage and also upset his pelvis all over again. The shoulder blade and pelvis weren't discovered until he came back into work. (As he never ever showed pain)
    the shoulder was sorted and we moved yards once his boxrest was finished.
    He came back into work after a spell of turnout to teach him to be a horse again (didnt come off boxrest well) and after some major gut issues were treated (vet reckons from same accident as he did a good job on himself) After a month or so he started misbehaving badly and vet came out. Thought it was his pelvis and got physio back out. We did walking work for 6 weeks and then tried to bring in gentle trotting work. But after a day of gentle trotting work he went mad again. Contacted physio who said contact vet before she comes back out incase a danilion trial was needed. So a did a short danilion trail and he was transformed. He did walk, trot and canter and was the best he had been for a long time. Physio came out and said def pelvis and did more things and vet wanted to scan him to see what was the problem. So he was retired to the field for a few months as I was waitin to hear from insurance about scan. During this time saddle was checked again and physio did a few more things with him. but while we were waiting for insurance he went dramatically downhill and his backend went. He lost his coordination and I felt the time had come to put him to sleep . As the painkillers had stopped taking effect and insurance was dragging there heals. So in December my 7 year old boy was PTS but it was his time to go.

    Sorry I didnt have a good outcome on a pelvic issue but I have known many horses who have pulled through fine.
    I wish you all the luck and hope you get to the bottom of your horses pain.


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