Ciss
Reged: 07/03/2005
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Loc: Buckinghamshire
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A friend has just drawn my attention to this article:
http://www.farmersjournal.ie/2008/1011/farmmanagement/horses/index.shtml
I'm not sure how scrapping the stallion approval system can make it suddenly the equal to the KWPN but perhaps that's a bit of Irish logic that's escaped me.
Shoudl make for an interesting WBFSH Assembly in Lyon next month though!
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firm
enthusiast
Reged: 03/05/2007
Posts: 238
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Castlemouse has put another thread about this in latest news which tells a little more.
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3585760/an/0/page/0#3585760
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terrib
stranger
Reged: 25/11/2005
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I guess the point would be to let mare owners make choices for themselves. Basically they already do this and haven't been too picky on which classification a stallion has been in. I haven't registered any of my homebred warmbloods with the IHB and obviously will continue in the same way.
One thing I took from the article in the week's Irish Field was how breeders of racehorses pick stallions based on the mares they have and not classifications. To me, as a TB breeder as well, its like comparing apples and oarnges. And that's not to say I breed TB's willy nilly, far from it, but producing sporthorses and racehorses are differnet so I'm not quite understanding the IHB's logic here. And really they only need to look at the bottom end of the TB market to know it's probably not a good idea.
Terri
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ballyshan
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Reged: 04/06/2008
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Loc: ireland
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I dont understand what they are up to.Ive never been the greatest fan of the irish horse board but i could have either registered this years foals with zangersheide or horse board but i chose the latter as this means that anything we breed can compete in most young horse classes in ireland provided we dont sell them abroad of course.we have always used stallions we have liked and not necessarily approved but i wonder if it still means that if we have a foal by an S1 stallion thaen are they still restricted from certain jumping classes???Anyone know this answer? 
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terrib
stranger
Reged: 25/11/2005
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Yes, there are specific IHB young horse classes, but at any major show it states the young horses have to be Irish Bred. Mine have KWPN passports but are Irish Bred. And lets be honest about it, if the rules say horse has to be Irish Bred and they want to get stupid about it, something can be done. And with this new rule why would anyone want to promote an Irish horse in IHB classes anyway. It's becoming a big joke. I can understand Irish bred which if fine, but I think the rules are going to have to change. They really shouldn't be allowed to tell you what studbook you choose. Not very democratic to say the least. In future, all my horses will be registered with Zangersheide.
But really, I'm not a big breeder. I breed one warmblood a year when things go right so I'm not someone who will change the system. I can and will work around the politics.
Terri
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ballyshan
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Reged: 04/06/2008
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I can understand what you are saying terri but our business relies predomintly on irish clients first then foreign customers second and everyone wants a green book as their horses are then restricted from certain ihb classes.do you not struggle to get your kwpn horses into classes even though they may be irish bred but with a kwpn passport.we bred a horse who made it to lanaken this year but if he had a blue book he wouldnt have gone at all no matter how good he was.Dont get me wrong but i use whatever stallion i want approved or not.I just hope they make a decision quickly so we know where we stand.
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AnaTINSELtasia
Reged: 30/12/2004
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Loc: Over The Rainbow
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Ciss, like you I cannot see any resemblance with what they are speaking about against the KWPN stallion grading system. 
Also re the KWPN, I also just read in the lastest In de Strengen that they are looking (still discussing) for all the dams of any stallions forward for selection to have there PROK certificate (i.e. free of OCD) before a stallion will be allowed for selection.
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terrib
stranger
Reged: 25/11/2005
Posts: 11
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Ballyshan,
You see, I'm not in your postition so I can yap away all I want. So yes, for you this is going to be more difficult. I actually didn't realize some of the IHB classes were only for horses with green books. So what will they do now?
I completely understood why they made changes to Irish Bred horses with the regards to young horses. But I do really have issues with telling me I have to use the IHB for registry or my horse can't compete. Being bred, born, and raised here should suffice.
At any rate it remains to be seen what will happen now in the future with this new rule.
Terri
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imadq2
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Reged: 07/03/2007
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Ballyshan, do you mean that if you breed a foal in Ireland and register it with another registry eg Oldenburg that it cannot qualify for Lanaken?
I am so confused by all of this!
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ballyshan
journeyman
Reged: 04/06/2008
Posts: 94
Loc: ireland
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the horses unfortunately have to have a full green book to compete in horse board classes which is essentially the qualification for lanaken.as i said before a green passport is not essential but i have to think of potential customers but in saying that we have 2 foals this year by cobra who is s1 and therefore have blue books.this allows them to compete in more classes than if they were registered with zangersheide.its just the horse board being a pain in the a _ _
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wishfulthinking
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Reged: 02/05/2007
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Loc: Ireland
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It's the same for the young horse champs in Le Lion at the moment too with only green books being sent AFAIK.
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imadq2
newbie
Reged: 07/03/2007
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Hmmm, i wonder if they would apply this if someone wanted to send a young horse foaled in Ireland to the Young dressage horse world championships, and it was registered with another registry. Currently Ireland is entitled to send 2, but have yet to do so.
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