dwi
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Reged: 19/02/2006
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Loc: Middle England
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I'm not trying to start a huge bunfight here, genuinely curious to know. I went drag hunting last year and really enjoyed it so I want to get out more this year but my local hunt is Atherstone which is more traditional. OH is uncomfortable about me going because he thinks there'll be loads of sabs and it'll have an unpleasant atmosphere and I could be put in danger. I'd like him to drive me ideally and then foot follow but he, understandably, doesn't want to get grief.
Whats it like?
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Saint_Nicholas
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Reged: 26/10/2007
Posts: 1601
Loc: Bedfordshire.
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Well, As I have never hunted before. I can only suggest, googling hunt sabs and then having a look at there methods. By reading theese sites it will give you an insight into what the sabs do and aim to achieve. If you would like a few links, feel free to pm me.
For the beneficial fact of a few.
No I am NOT a sab.
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CrazyMare
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I'm in Leicestershire, althought I don't hunt with the Atherstone, I've never really encountered sabs - maybe it is beaucse of the distance from big cities?
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The_Henmeister
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I think real Sabs are fairly rare, Antis on the other hand are quite common. Ive encountered quite a few, but in general they are just "monitoring", it's really only the Huntsman and Field Master that need to worry (I think!).
The first time I met Antis was out with the Quorn, and apart from nearly hurtling into a hedge in their white van they didn't cause too much problem! The second time was with CVFH and although they disrupted the day alot, they didn't catch up with us long enough to cause any problems!
The Field Master will tell you if they have any reason to worry about Sabs/Antis and will also tell you to ignore them!
I wouldn't worry too much, just go and ignore them and have fun! And tell you OH to do the same!!
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Ravenwood
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Please don't let them put you off - don't let them win.
As already said above we have "hunt monitors" who video every bloody thing - even kids just sitting on their ponies :(
But I have never seen any violence.
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Saint_Nicholas
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Loc: Bedfordshire.
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[quote]As already said above we have "hunt monitors" who video every bloody thing - even kids just sitting on their ponies :([/quote]
Hold on? (Hopes ive read this right) Are anti's/Sabs recording young children? Im pretty sure this is illegal without concent.
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Edited by Brontie (02/08/2008 12:09)
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the_skewbald
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Reged: 12/05/2007
Posts: 1187
Loc: West Country
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Totally illegal, and I should have them for it, if I were you. After all, we do like to see the law kept within, don't we? How do we know they are not paedophiles disguised as antis? Following kids around with a camera? I don't think so.
What are these people on, anyway?
Even supposing their cause was a good one, lets say comparable to the abolition of slavery (which it demonstrably isn't) - should we still have little nerds with cameras following everyone who employs household staff, JUST IN CASE?
It's a flagrant infringement of human rights and civil liberties, and they should be dealt with accordingly.
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pelly
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Reged: 03/08/2006
Posts: 389
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Never met sabs out Hunting but my cousin and his mate were. His mate went more then scott.
Lukes greatest feat inhis life was breaking a horses leg with a Baseball Bat, So be aware.
I used to Hunt but witha small "farmers" Pack in Devon
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HotRoastedChestnuts
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Reged: 23/08/2007
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Loc: Norf Wilts, Da West Countreeee
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I'm shocked - I just goggled Sabs etc. and some horrendous "tips" came up, mainly to do with disguising the scent laid out [legally] by hunts now hunting within the law!
It seems as if paranoia has set in... and the really nasty sabs are convinced all hunts are mercilessly murdering not only foxes, but rabbits and puppies and kittens and even human children. Okay, maybe not the last one... [or maybe so? ;)]
One even suggested throwing things such as bricks at the hunt masters horse etc.!!! :o :shocked: :o :o :o I am shocked and appalled!
Em
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the_skewbald
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Reged: 12/05/2007
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oh yes, they love animals sooooo much. Not. They are all just inadequate losers.
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Ravenwood
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Unfortunately there is nothing that can be done. The hunt is classed as a public event and therefore there is nothing to stop anyone filming (I have looked into it) unless they go onto private land.
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peakpark
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Reged: 27/12/2005
Posts: 221
Loc: Wiltshire
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[quote]Unfortunately there is nothing that can be done. The hunt is classed as a public event and therefore there is nothing to stop anyone filming (I have looked into it) unless they go onto private land. [/quote]
I think a landowner is using the private land thing to try to prevent 'monitors' from coming on private land, but the case has been adjourned as it was discovered that the judge due to hear the case had been a labour MP who had spoken out vehemently against hunting.
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wrighty
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Reged: 17/03/2007
Posts: 284
Loc: Herefordshire
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I almost thought that this thread was going to say something different, it started well with some good advice but then turned into the normal paranoid ramblings of the poor old hunters.
YES, there are monitors who film the hunts to either ensure they stay within the law or evidence the law being broken but you (Hunters in general) have to start on about the "dangerous act" of filming children and then claiming it is illigal to do it or that the people doing the filming are doing it for some sexual reason.
Can't you (Hunters again) get it through your heads that the monitors are doing it for a valid reason, just as your (hunters/Pro's) video monitors to record any breaches of the law.
Would you say that a Pro who taped a 14yr old Anti was doing it for sexual reasons or just that they were doing their bit to protect what they believe in?
As for the argument about Sabs/ALF (the list could go on and on) harming animals to stop the hunts, if anyone does see this then report it JUST LIKE I WOULD as these people are not there to protect the wildlife or animlas.
You (hunters again) always seem to tar everyone with the same brush and steroetype people, Anti, Sab, ALF etc are the same in your eyes and are only there to from the cities to hug trees, eat tofu and pick on the hunts and their followers for no reason, this is b******s just as much as every Anti thinks that all Pros are rich toffs, educated at Eton and spend all their spare time shooting puppies and kittens.
One last thing, please check up on the law before stating something is illegal as you may cause problems between the people you give advice to and others doing something totally legal,any self respecting Anti/Minitor would know what is and is not illegal (I know for a fact I do) so could cause a lot of trouble if anything is done to them.
("Im pretty sure this is illegal without concent." - "Totally illegal, and I should have them for it, if I were you." - "Unfortunately there is nothing that can be done. The hunt is classed as a public event and therefore there is nothing to stop anyone filming (I have looked into it) unless they go onto private land.")
Oh, sorry, another last bit.
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Ravenwood
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[quote] One last thing, please check up on the law before stating something is illegal as you may cause problems between the people you give advice to and others doing something totally legal,any self respecting Anti/Minitor would know what is and is not illegal (I know for a fact I do) so could cause a lot of trouble if anything is done to them.
("Im pretty sure this is illegal without concent." - "Totally illegal, and I should have them for it, if I were you." - "Unfortunately there is nothing that can be done. The hunt is classed as a public event and therefore there is nothing to stop anyone filming (I have looked into it) unless they go onto private land.") [/quote]
Sorry, I don't understand this last comment - what is your take on this? I am interested to hear from an Anti's point of view - what benefit do you get out of filming children sitting on their ponies whilst out hunting and nothing is happening at the time?
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wrighty
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Reged: 17/03/2007
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Loc: Herefordshire
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I see no point in filming youngsters, pro or anti, if they are not breaking any laws but we know it happens on both sides.
My comments were a warning about giving out advice that could get others into trouble eg "Totally illegal, and I should have them for it, if I were you.", this could result in many outcomes including assault, injury, wrongful arrest and police involvement on the person who acts on the advice given.
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The_Henmeister
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I see no real reason for the "Hunt Monitors" to film the field, whether they are young or old, as they can't actually break the law (apart from laws unrelated to the hunting act obviously!).
But as I stated to the OP before, ignore anyone who is a sab/anti, you are not breaking the law, therefore you have nothing to worry about. Enjoy your day and don't worry, the chances of you meeting a real "sab" are fairly slim! As are the chances of anyone throwing bricks at your horse/breaking their legs with a baseball bat.
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the_skewbald
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Reged: 12/05/2007
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Loc: West Country
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So, Child Protection has no meaning on the hunting field? There are guidelines at any other sporting event, and if I saw someone taking photos of my children, I would be not happy. Thre is no way a child out with the hunt can possibly break the law, and therefore, I can't see that it is OK for anyone to take photos of them.
Are you saying that some perv could come out taking photos of children, and provided he said 'I'm a concerend anti, I'm a Monitor' it would be OK? I don't think so.
It's a very different thing than monitoring Hunt Staff.
You may be right that it's legal, but I would doubt if a child protection officer would think so.
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wrighty
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Reged: 17/03/2007
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Loc: Herefordshire
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Skew, are you obsessed with making out everyone with a camera a "perv" or just trying to make out Antis to be sexual preditors?
As I said earler there is no need for ANYONE to be filming youngsters, I have seen people following the hunts taping young antis, does that make them pervs?
Going with the thread and the bad advice given I ADVISE you not to take any action yourself against anyone with a camera near your children, if you are concerned contact the police as they know the law better than most, if you take action yourself you could be arrested for it.
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Mairi
Reged: 31/03/2004
Posts: 3869
Loc: Bottom of the well!
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All of this is making me want to become PRO again. Its all gotten so silly and without sense that tbh I cant be arsed with the whole story any more. Pros, do what you must-anti's stop bloody whinging and do something positive. Me? Im off to refill my glass and I spit in your 'collective eyes'. Just get on with life and be happy. M. :(
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country_gal
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Reged: 01/02/2008
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Right now, I'd like to see the justification the monitors have for filming children. As has been said, they cannot break the law, so they do not need to be on film.
If it's not about intimidating the next generation into not going hunting anymore (which is flawed, have these people not SEEN your average hunting pony club mother?) then that does leave their actions open to sinister interpretations.
At the end of a season, a monitor could easily have hours of footage of children in tight, white breeches, with no purpose for it under the "hunt monitor" facade.
So, could any hunt monitors please let us know the purpose for this footage, and allow us to be reassured you're not using it for sinister purposes?
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