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Dear forum users
While we understand that the feelings of many people run high around the case of Jamie Gray and the horses at Spindle Farm, we would like to remind you that the court case is still active – ie has not been heard in a court of law yet — and it is against the law to discuss aspects of the case which will be evidence during the case.
Please not post anything on the forum which may prejudice the case — ie pertaining to the condition of Mr Gray’s horses or your views on his innocence or guilt. Your posts could cause the case to be abandoned if the judge feels there can no longer be a fair trial.
The H&H news team
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Daffodil
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Reged: 07/04/2008
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Point taken, but the condition of the horses which, after all, is essentially the reason they had to be rescued, is so fundamental to the argument it is difficult to protest without mentioning it.
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pelly
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Reged: 03/08/2006
Posts: 389
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Point taken, but the condition of the horses which, after all, is essentially the reason they had to be rescued, is so fundamental to the argument it is difficult to protest without mentioning it.
hEAR, Hear
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Jone
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Reged: 08/04/2008
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I'm not very up to date at what has been happening because I don't buy newspapers and I don't watch to much TV. But was not the case heard on thursday or friday of last week? I believe this Mr Grey guy got some of his animals returned to him did he not? And I'm wondering why he didn't get them all returned to him? Very strange.
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turkey_dinner
Reged: 04/11/2004
Posts: 10715
Loc: Oxon, UK
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That particular hearing only related to an application to have animals returned to him. The other charges are still going through the Court process.
It would be interesting if all the family were to be found guilty and banned from keeping animals though, then the donkeys, etc that are being returned would have to be rehomed again
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Jone
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Reged: 08/04/2008
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O I see. Does anyone know why the judge ruled that the animals be returned? Wht evidence was put before the judge for this to happen? What I don't understand is why only some of them were returned.
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turkey_dinner
Reged: 04/11/2004
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Loc: Oxon, UK
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It wouldn't have been all the evidence relating to the matters currently going through the courts. It appears that Grey had a vet who gave evidence on his behalf, and some considerable weight must have been given to this evidence for the Judge to reach the conclusion that he did. I have no idea what evidence would have been put, if any, to counter this application
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Jone
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Reged: 08/04/2008
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I don't believe we the public have been given the full story because it's just so strange that he would rule that only some of the horses be returned. This Mr Grey chap I believe is accused of crulety so what I cannot fathom is why the judge ruled that some of the animals be returned to him.
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turkey_dinner
Reged: 04/11/2004
Posts: 10715
Loc: Oxon, UK
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I think you will have to wait for the full trial to know all the evidence that can be disclosed in court
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Jone
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Reged: 08/04/2008
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Anyone know when that will be?
Sorry I'm a nosey parker who likes to know the ins and outs of everything. 
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LoriScot
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Reged: 10/04/2008
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I would just like to sympathise with the charity organisations involved, it must make them feel like they are hitting their heads against a brick wall!
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sky123
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Reged: 23/10/2007
Posts: 4
Loc: Herts
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Oh My God!
many of us donated a lot of money to help feed these poor rescued animals, in the knowlege that we were doing a kind thing and giving them the chance of a bright future, and this feels like a complete kick in the teeth. In fact what we have done is fatten the horses up, so if Jamie Grey gets them back - he will now get more money for them when he sells them for meat on the continent.
Why oh why is this so called 'meat trade' not regulated more, and I thought passports were supposed to help stop instances like this!
I feel sick. 
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Jack_Frost
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Reged: 25/03/2006
Posts: 12592
Loc: Hampshire
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That is soo the wrong attitude Sky123. We helped the charities cope with the increased load when they needed it regardless of whether the ponies go back/get sold/stay with the charities in the end, what we did was a good and worthwhile thing. And nothing will ever change my mind on that. It is the laws that need to be changed.
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julie150359
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Reged: 15/07/2007
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I am sure we would all like to comment on Mr G but let's try to concentrate more on what a difference we can make.
If the auction goes ahead how can anyone ensure that all us "do gooders" won't end up bidding against each other and fill a certain someone's pockets even more???
Please make sure you visit the Horse Trust site and sign their online petition - There is not that much time to get millions of people to have signed it - needs to grow faster!
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Jack_Frost
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Reged: 25/03/2006
Posts: 12592
Loc: Hampshire
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I did read somewhere that he would have to reimburse the RSPCA etc out of the proceeds of the sale. Current cost to the charities was quoted at around £155k so they need to sell for a fair bit each - nearly £2k to just cover the costs, which will be rising daily, before he gets a penny.
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Ovidius
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Loc: The Moon
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LadyT
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Reged: 30/11/2007
Posts: 1391
Loc: Leeds
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That's what i would have said (Re jacksmum). He, in my mind wouldn't be able to profit form the sale but would have to reimburse the RSPCA and other charities for the upkeep and veterinary treatment they have carried out as effectively otherwise they have been looking after them for him free of charge and he's not incurred any costs. Not that he was exactly spending any money to feed or look after them in the first place! (i shall put the word 'allegedly' in there!!!)
Can J G actually prove he 'owns' these horses in the first place?? Do they all have passports that register them to him - surely they should have seeing as these have been a 'legal requirement' since 2005. Think he should have to produce these first or in reality there's no actual proof he owns them! 
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julie150359
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Reged: 15/07/2007
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I spoke directly to Charity and the RSPCA will not get the money - the proceeds from the auction will go directly into Mr G's pocket - so he will have profited by the Charities feeding his horses for over three months !
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Ovidius
Reged: 20/05/2004
Posts: 4005
Loc: The Moon
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I beleive that this has been stated on one of the charities websites that the profits will not go to the owner.... but dont ask me where the post is, its hard enough keeping up to date as it is!
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julie150359
stranger
Reged: 15/07/2007
Posts: 4
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When I spoke to Charity at luchtime today they said " all the proceeds will go directly to Mr G" of course then being the nice man he is he will pay all the bills his horses have incurred - not!.
I would like to know how he is paying his legal bill! Good old legal aid?
As for the passorts I don't expect the judge will even know what they are or how they should be used.Let's face it he obviously does not know that much about horses!
Unfortunatley where most of Mr G's horses were bound for it is quite possible to have horses put down with passports issued at time of destruction.
If Mr G should have a nice friendly vet I am sure all his passorts will be in order ( or will be by then!).It is quite easy to get hold of blank passports - unfortunatley!
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