TURBOBERT
Reged: 07/07/2001
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I am interested in buying a very nice filly foal at weaning. She is eventing bred - 3/4 TB 1/4 ID- (although not fashionable blood lines) and she and her mother have won in the show ring in good company.
I am not interested in showing and dont want to have to pay a premium for good looks.
Anyone know what price I should consider paying?
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zoeshiloh
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Having asked around fellow show competitors recently so as to gauge a value for my own foal, I think you would be looking at anything from £4000 upwards. A very well known show producer told me that he would not sell a foal that had won at county level for less than £6000, although I guess when people buy from him, that is more because of the name than the quality of the horse.
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TURBOBERT
Reged: 07/07/2001
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Loc: Northern England
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Ah - a litle more than I would pay for an eventing foal then - unless it was male and top eventing blood lines. That's helpful thanks!
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SevernMistletoe
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You're joking???
Our 3y.o is lunging, been long reined, backed, sister to two Pavo yearling champions (both went on to be Reserve Supreme and Supreme Champ), a Grade C and an Int eventer, won and reserve sport horse champ at county level, clean legs, no vices and still no interest at 3-3.5k so 4k for a foal seems way off the mark!!
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Ben_and_Jerrys
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1.5-2K ?
And before I get shouted at by lots of breeders that it costs this to get the foal on the ground .... I know! But it's a buyers market out there at the moment
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minesadouble
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£4,000.00/£6,000.00 seems awful lot of money for a foal - friend sold a good quality 3 year old for £6,000.00 last year to stand as a coloured stallion - and it was a winner at the Royal Show, not just County Level. I know it's not the same as competition breeding but coloureds are so popular that there is a strong market for them.
Bearing in mind the current 'credit crunch' it just might be possible to get a bargain.
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SevernMistletoe
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And before I get shouted at by lots of breeders that it costs this to get the foal on the ground .... I know! But it's a buyers market out there at the moment
I would have said 2k-2.5k was fair but you remind me of the saying 'Breeding is a mugs game'.
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zoeshiloh
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Well, it all depends on quality at the end of the day - you can pick up a foal for around 1.5k - 2k, but for anything with decent breeding you are looking at 3k upwards. It is going to vary depending on where you are in the country, but I know of several foals for sale at the moment, all of which are over the 5k mark, and all of which sold in a matter of days. Perhaps people think a cheap foal is worthless, and expensive foals will definately turn out better.... I don't know - I am only going on what I have seen and heard from fellow competitors - as I said, none of those I have competed against would sell their foals for less than 4k, and most are getting offered considerably more.
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girla1978
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Severnmiles.........i sold a rising 3 unbacked and totally untouched filly for 6.5k earlier this year! Maybe i was just lucky as i was selling her half sister and not her but the lady fell in love with her! She is going to make a fab eventer, she has a great frame and has paces to die for (sire is Dimaggio dam has Ramiro breeding) and everytime we let her in the menage she'd jump out into the field with no effort whatsoever!
What you mustnt forget is.......how much the foal is worth before its even blinkin born! Stud fee's etc.
The foal that hopefully arrives safely next year is going to be worth 5k before it has even stood up!
Good breeding is deffinately expensive to buy, end of the day you get what you pay for, if your really lucky you'll find a bargain who turns into a superstar, Its luck of the draw ... :-)
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JanetGeorge
Reged: 25/06/2001
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I am interested in buying a very nice filly foal at weaning. She is eventing bred - 3/4 TB 1/4 ID- (although not fashionable blood lines) and she and her mother have won in the show ring in good company.
I am not interested in showing and dont want to have to pay a premium for good looks.
Anyone know what price I should consider paying?
Mmm - what IS 'eventing bred' if it's not 'fashionable' bloodlines. I'd say anything out of - say - a TB mare of jumping lines by a good sort of RID stallion who has only hunted himself but is by a good eventing RID stallion.  Provided it moves well. And I've got one of those you can have for £2,250 at weaning. 
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TURBOBERT
Reged: 07/07/2001
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This is NOT Dimaggio/Ramiro lines! The dam is half bred (ID lines not significant) but did workers very successfully. Sire is standing at a posh stud but nothing competing of note. Trouble is it is VERY well put together with lots of pizaz plus won at county level in the show ring. But I dont show! We event. I suspect she'll want about £5000 to £6000 and to be frank I wont pay that... Interesting though - a foal is worth as much as anyone will pay - not the cost to the breeder of producing it!
Thank you all for
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MFH_09
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Interesting though - a foal is worth as much as anyone will pay - not the cost to the breeder of producing it!
Exactly!
Also, as Zoe says, it very much depends whereabouts you are too even though people are more willing to travel nowadays. You can have the best foal in the country (to your mind) but unless people know about it, it'll stay in your field! Very often, it's personally known word of mouth that sells your foals rather than a showing campaign or adverts.
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Ben_and_Jerrys
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Reading this is making me realise what a bargin my 2yo was when I bought him!!!
Similar breeding to the foal you are referring to - mare ISH county worker, sire Kings Composer (TB). Offspring not a county show prospect but a nice eventing type and did well at the PAVO 2yo's, now at 4 going well under saddle. All for the price of a bog standard foal!
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SevernMistletoe
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But she is well bred. There's not another 3y.o filly in this country that is sister to two Pavo yearling champions (reserve and supreme champion).
She's not just run of the mill.
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SevernMistletoe
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B_J's...mine too. My first filly (who had a fatal accident as a 2y.o) was by Jumbo out of a Nearly A Hand mare. Bought in Hampshire (so a good area if any) for just £1000.
Pictured between yearling and 2y.o
Its funny because I was speaking to a big producer at the Royal Welsh about Rhi and no interest and I said its funny because her breeder has been getting between 5k and 7k and he simply replied "Not anymore he won't" - the horse market is dead and I wouldn't want to be breeding at the moment to be honest.
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Lillo
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Reged: 07/02/2008
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I'm not sure the markets that dead, the breeder who sold my foal to me last year, sold my fillies half brother this year from the first advert in H&H for £5000!
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zipzap
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Reged: 30/05/2008
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Firstly, I'd point out that I know nothing whatsoever about warmblood breeding / continental markets fashions or trends but as you mentioned a partbred Irish foal it caught my attention, being an ID enthusiast. Personally, I wouldn't want to be relying on horse sales for my main source of income right now but sincerely hope that anyone who does fairs okay in the current climate.
The whole sales thing is a bit of a mystery. In the past, I've had mediocre horses who've made more than I thought they would and top horses I've barely been able to give away(?). As some one quoted before, they're only worth what someone's prepared to pay. Saying that, I have bizarrely come across relatively novice ability, inexperienced but well-off fellow livery owners in the past though who wouldn't even look at a general RC all-rounder with a price tag under £6.5k. Those 'customers' are probably still out there somewhere I guess????
Good luck Turbobert - You are in a strong position to either negotiate or go foal shopping elsewhere (personally, assuming it's not too far away I'd be tempted to follow up Janet's comment & pay her a visit as she clearly knows what she's on about & may have a selection for you to decide from - no I'm not on commission).
Given that the foal market tends to be more specialist as far less people have the experience or facilities for them there could be a deal to be done, please do keep us posted!
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