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GinaB
04-04-07, 09:47 AM
IAN Huntley is being "bribed with perks" to stop him making another suicide bid.

The Soham killer has been given a new cell with a TV, stereo and tea and coffee-making facilities.

He also has access to a PlayStation and DVD player. And Huntley, 33, has been told he can keep his perks while he "toes the line" and does not try to take his own life.

Prisoner number JG5778 was moved to another cell after his second suicide bid last September at high-security Wakefield Prison, West Yorks.

An insider at the jail said: "It is to try to stop another suicide attempt but he has been told he will be moved if he steps out of line."

But one member of the Prison Officers' Association at Wakefield fumed: "It's obscene when you consider what he's done."

Huntley was jailed for life in 2003 for murdering 10-year-olds Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman at his home in Soham, Cambs, in August 2002.
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Read this is The Mirror this morning. This b*stard is living his pathetic excuse of a life in luxury! Makes me so angry.

Sooty
04-04-07, 09:50 AM
I think I may have inadvertantly slipped into a parallel universe - one where murdering two little girls and dumping their bodies in a shallow grave, whilst at the same time lying convincingly to the police, is to be rewarded.

Rambo
04-04-07, 10:00 AM
I think they should give him the 'perk' of a long piece of a rope and something to hang it from personally http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

SSM
04-04-07, 10:01 AM
And a couple of razors and a bottle of cyanide

GinaB
04-04-07, 10:05 AM
I reckon they should just let the other prisoners at him. I'm sure they'd fairly take care of him.

Honeybee
04-04-07, 10:06 AM
Rambo i'm with you on this one!!

BBs
04-04-07, 10:08 AM
Oo rambo Im with you on this one.... but hes not alowed to hang the rope round his neck lol

Nic
04-04-07, 10:15 AM
1-How on earth is a playstation going to stop someone who is genuinely suicidal from killing themselves?! http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif


2- I'm with Rambo
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HBII
04-04-07, 10:33 AM
Rambo I too am with you on this one.

Hb

spaniel
04-04-07, 10:37 AM
Lifetime in a hotel room.....what an example to set society.

I bet he is laughing his socks off.

Jackster
04-04-07, 10:54 AM
OMG, can't believe that. Least if he killed himself, he wouldn't be wasting our taxes!

StrawberryFish
04-04-07, 11:05 AM
My dad is a proson officer - thankfully not the prison where Huntley is - but has dealt with similar situations - my dad is ex army RSM and doesn't take cr*p - he has been in trouble so many times for ignoring suicide threats. He has been slashed with a blade and a snapped toothbrush (of all things!) and was close to being sacked for punching the inmate in question - He works on the A wing - which is the murderers etc (Jill Dando's 'murderer' is at the prison my dad works in) so I don't see why they deserve to be molly-coddled!
I have so much more to say on this - it makes my blood boil this and some of the things my dad tells me, but I'll stop now before I bore you all!

Christmas_Kate
04-04-07, 11:15 AM
IMHO, this is nothing less than other prisoners get. If they behave themselves, keep their heads down and don't try and top themselves they get "enhanced" as opposed to "basic" (for those who don't behave). Which includes lots of priveledges. It's a sceme there to encourage prisoners to tow the line, can you imagine not giving them a reason to behave? can you imagine 300 dangerous men having a riot?? http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif. Of course, the rule applies to all prisoners, they can't single people out for what crime they've comitted.

Ian Huntley will still get lots less than other enhanced prisoners. He won't be able to go out on exercise unless accompanied by a PO. He won't get Association as he'd get murdered.

At the end of the day I an Huntley will now have to live the rest of his life remembering what he's done. he'll live every day in fear. Surely no less than the man deserves? If he comitted suicide or got killed by another prisoner he'd be out of his misery. Where's the justice in that? When the girl's parents will have this misery for the rest of THEIR lives.

Anyone who thinks that prison is just 'cosy' needs to try and get a tour of a real prison. Quite often prisons allow joe public to stay the night for charity. Trust me, it's nothing like Bad Girls lol. (and no, I havent been in prison!!, I have worked with probation and the prison service though).
Ian Huntely will live in fear of what may happen to him should another prisoner get the chance. And one day one of them will get the chance.

Tempi
04-04-07, 11:23 AM
i did think that part of me wanted him to just kill himself, whilst the other part of me did think that he should rot in prison. However if its true about him being given all those perks just to stay alive then i really think they should just give him a rope and let him do it.........or as someone else said, let other prisoners at him http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Christmas_Kate
04-04-07, 11:23 AM
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My dad is a proson officer - thankfully not the prison where Huntley is - but has dealt with similar situations - my dad is ex army RSM and doesn't take cr*p - he has been in trouble so many times for ignoring suicide threats. He has been slashed with a blade and a snapped toothbrush (of all things!) and was close to being sacked for punching the inmate in question - He works on the A wing - which is the murderers etc (Jill Dando's 'murderer' is at the prison my dad works in) so I don't see why they deserve to be molly-coddled!
I have so much more to say on this - it makes my blood boil this and some of the things my dad tells me, but I'll stop now before I bore you all!

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If a dangerous prisoner attacks you, it still does not give you the right to assault him back. probably the prisoner deserved it, but it's life. In a male priosn, you WILL get conflict daily. 100's of men shut in, tostesterone flying about, egos..... I have been the victim of a male prisoner who thought just because I was female that I was 'up for it' and turned nasty when I told him where to go.
Sadly, many prisoners become victims of PO's who think they're Gods, who bully and victimise. And it's the honest PO's like your father who suffer the repurcussions.
IMO if the prison service watched what went on inside more closely half of this wouldnt happen. How can male rape happen so often in such an enclosed space in this day and age?
Prison is a nasty nasty place. And people have to understand that.

StrawberryFish
04-04-07, 11:32 AM
Sorry - I'm not going to say my father did the wrong thing punching a prisoner who tried to kill him!! If the prisoner didn't like being cooped up - he shouldn't have committed his crime!
These aren't petty criminals we're talking about here - they're serial murderes, paedophiles etc - do these people deserve human rights.
I agree - prison is a nasty place - but frankly - I'm not sure it's nasty enough!

I understand this is my opinion - I'm not trying to start an arguement! Honest.

TheresaW
04-04-07, 11:37 AM
"Prison is a nasty nasty place. And people have to understand that"

Yes, but a lot of the people in prison are nasty nasty people!

StrawberryFish
04-04-07, 11:39 AM
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Yes, but a lot of the people in prison are nasty nasty people!

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Defintely - Prison wouldn't be nasty if it wasn't for the scumbags in there. If the prisoners don't like it - then don't commit crimes!

kayleigh_and_rocky
04-04-07, 11:55 AM
Tbh i wanted him to rott in prison and feel awful about what hes done....instead hes living it up in prison with his own room away from other inmates, with tv, stereo, playstation..... i mean for god sake!

the watcher
04-04-07, 12:01 PM
Number 1, it is reported in the Mirror...well it must be completely true then....not

the fact is, without incentives to behave and be productive in whatever environment people are kept in, they will quickly revert to behaviour that would be quite impossible to manage..the strong ones will prosper, the weak ones will suffer ...or die. whether those incentives are shorter sentences or perks doesn't matter.

Human rights requires us to take proper care of prisoners, it is nothing to do with being soft, it is to do with being civilised

Heidi1
04-04-07, 12:09 PM
Should be left to rot, why should he have all that after what he did, did I read somewhere that one of the prisoners tried to have a go at him, if that is correct then he should of been left to get on with it............ bring back hanging, although that would be too easy and quick for Ian Huntley.....

hollyzippo
04-04-07, 01:08 PM
Just let him get on with it- or better still- sell tickets! May recover some of the costs of keeping the a***hole!

kp31
04-04-07, 01:16 PM
Someone like Ian Huntley lost all his Human Rights the moment he decided to end the lives of two innocent children. Lets remember that is what they were, he then lied to numerous people to try and get away with it, never has he had the decency to allow those parents to know what the last hours of there daughters lives were like, only to sit and wonder, i can't imagine what that must be like for them. He shouldn't be given any privilleges, i really do not know what is happening to this country it shocks and disgusts me!

I agree with Rambo, in fact let the hardened criminals at him and see what happens to him then!

Sooty
04-04-07, 01:31 PM
Surely there is enough incentive in him being kept away from other prisoners? As he is never going to be rehabilitated and released, I think his sentence should not be spent in relative luxury. I am not suggesting we go back to the privations of Dveil's Island or Alcatraz, but there has to be some middle ground between this and the Hilton!

kick_On
04-04-07, 01:56 PM
put him in a dark room with a loaded gun and a dripping tap and shut the bloody door

GTs
04-04-07, 02:12 PM
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put him in a dark room with a loaded gun and a dripping tap and shut the bloody door

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I would shoot the tap!

kick_On
04-04-07, 02:16 PM
but then stave!

Christmas_Kate
04-04-07, 04:36 PM
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Sorry - I'm not going to say my father did the wrong thing punching a prisoner who tried to kill him!! If the prisoner didn't like being cooped up - he shouldn't have committed his crime!
These aren't petty criminals we're talking about here - they're serial murderes, paedophiles etc - do these people deserve human rights.
I agree - prison is a nasty place - but frankly - I'm not sure it's nasty enough!

I understand this is my opinion - I'm not trying to start an arguement! Honest.

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Quite obviously I didnt realise that upon trying to slash your father with a blade he was trying to kill him.
In retrospect, yes, your father has every right to defend himself, if a punch stops him being killed, then fair enough.

Inmates who have comitted more serious crimes do get treated with kid gloves. Simply because they bleat on and on saying they will kill themselves. Under the 'care' of the Prison service it's then the Home office's responsibility if they commit suicide. So often these inmates get nicities. But as I said before, no amount of games consoles can make up for the fact that they cannot associate with other prisoners. If they spend years and years cooped up with no tv, nothing, they will eventually lose their minds, which in the long run will cost the taxpayer more.
A lady who worked at the prison came from Bolivia, and there, paedophiles etc are put in a cell just big enough for a single matress to fit in. There are no windows, and the door is welded shut, with a flap big enough to serve food and water through. There, the prisoner does not see another human being or the light of day until his sentence is up. But there we are talking undeveloped countries, and I would hope to think that we are more advanced than that. We know that doing that would serve no good. You might aswell hang someone than do that to them. But then hanging would mean no justice. Where is the justice ina prisoner escaping the memory of what they did?

No, let them live in daily fear and regret. Let them face up to what they have done. In the prison world there is nothing lower than a paedophile or a child killer. One day, someone will get hold of Ian Huntley and he has to live with knowing that.

StrawberryFish
04-04-07, 04:58 PM
We can only hope that he does get his cumuppance - it's a shame there is no real way of enforcing the eye for and eye, tooth for a tooth theory!
Huntley is the perfect candidate.

Christmas_Kate
04-04-07, 04:59 PM
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We can only hope that he does get his cumuppance - it's a shame there is no real way of enforcing the eye for and eye, tooth for a tooth theory!
Huntley is the perfect candidate.

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yes, I agree with you. in an ideal world, but this world, and goverment is less than ideal I'm afraid.

StrawberryFish
04-04-07, 05:03 PM
I know - shame really!
I am also beginning to wonder whether he deserves us taking the time to debate his future!
It's nice having an intelligent conversation, but TBH the scumbag (I would love to use something stronger but admin would tell me off!! :-p) doesn't really deserve a minute of our time.

xspiralx
05-04-07, 11:14 PM
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Human rights requires us to take proper care of prisoners, it is nothing to do with being soft, it is to do with being civilised


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Surely proper care means adequate food and shelter - not a flippin playstation!


I would also question whether someone who has the capacity to kill innocent children and then so easily lie about it, can really even feel that much "regret" for their crimes.

mat
06-04-07, 05:37 AM
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We can only hope that he does get his cumuppance - it's a shame there is no real way of enforcing the eye for and eye, tooth for a tooth theory!
Huntley is the perfect candidate.

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I would have him castrated before giving him a lobotamy... http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Ferdinase514
06-04-07, 07:44 AM
Whilst what he did was abhorrent, I think that these so called "perks" are only being implemented as the Watcher points out, to give him some basic human rights.

Do you all really want him to kill himself and not self the prison term and punishment, that was handed down to him?

Really?

PaddyMonty
06-04-07, 08:06 AM
Personally I would like him shut in a room for 1 hour with the parents and relatives of the 2 girls. During that hour all laws would be suspended.
That would be justice. Human rights are just like respect. needs to be earned and can be lost.

MagicMelon
06-04-07, 01:50 PM
Im afraid I disagree with the_watcher.

People like him in prison are not civilised people! I believe strongly that human rights should NOT apply to everyone. Holly and Jessica had their right to live taken away in a very brutal way - why the hell does he deserve ANY rights whatsoever. Its pathetic.

Its like the fact that prisoners were moaning about 'slopping out' and the stupid heroin addicts who were made to go cold turkey. What a joke. If you commit a serious crime then you dont deserve rights. Ian Huntley deserves to live with the nastiest bunch in prison so hopefully he'll get beaten up every day for life. Failing that, let him kill himself. Its certainly no loss. I find it a joke, that us taxpayers have to pay for his "cushy" lifestyle.

MagicMelon
06-04-07, 02:20 PM
BTW, these "perks" are NOT simple human rights! Basic rights are that they get food, water and a bed arent they? I do not think TV and a coffee machine are on the list.......

StrawberryFish
06-04-07, 04:49 PM
Exactly - and he didn't allow poor Holly and Jessica even the most basic human right - the right to life so why should he even get food or water??

There are innocent people in third world countries etc who fight for their lives every day with lack of food water and even basic hygeine!

They would give anything to have what Ian Huntley - (a paedophile and murderer!!) has - surely that's not right?

The Virgin Dubble
06-04-07, 05:03 PM
This news doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Even at school, the naughtier a pupil is, the more rewards they get in the form of outdoor activities, and day trips, while the well behaved pupils are stuck slogging away at their desks. It's an absolute joke.

The PC / human rights brigade have a lot to answer for.

StrawberryFish
06-04-07, 05:19 PM
LOL - I do agree - society is changing for the worst!

mad_egg
07-04-07, 08:30 PM
I still think, and have done since the beginning, Ian Huntley should simply have been got rid of. Shot, hung, injected, whatever.

Giving him perks is, IMO, simply wrong. I also don't believe that he is living with fear or regret - just regret that he got caught perhaps.

ticobay831
07-04-07, 09:01 PM
Send him to the labs, make the B*****d suffer !!!!!!!!! http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Christmas_Kate
07-04-07, 11:12 PM
But if he was to die he would still have escaped that misery..where's the justice in that?? And how can he not live in fear?

Weezy
07-04-07, 11:41 PM
This man stood in front of news cameras, stating how upset he was about Holly and Jessica's disappearance and how much he was helping with enquiries.

FFS you CANNOT get more calculating than that.

Personally I think the only way to deal with these people is solitary confinement - NO TV, NO DVD players, certainly NO Playstations (my boys would like one, am I infringing THEIR human rights by not letting them have one?!) A prison cell, absolutely NO human contact - that is the way it should be dealt with (however as a mother I think an hour in the cell with the family is more fitting, but that will NEVER happen).

You have to remember, prisoners like Huntley get 3 hot meals a day, heating, light, laundry done, etc. Prisoners are treated better than the elderly in this country and that stinks.

The Virgin Dubble
08-04-07, 12:05 AM
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You have to remember, prisoners like Huntley get 3 hot meals a day, heating, light, laundry done, etc. Prisoners are treated better than the elderly in this country and that stinks.

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Not to mention the access to further education up to degree level, with no student loans to worry about.

I have said many many times, that in this country, prisoners have more luxuries than the average pensioner/student.

So prison is a nasty place - big deal. Life is hardly a bed of roses for a poor pensioner who can't afford a decent meal, or those thousands of pensioners who die each year through cold realted illnesses because they can't afford to heat their homes.
These pensioners lived through the war years, lost loved ones, went without, and struggled, and have led honest, decent lives, yet they get ****** all in the way of human rights.

I don't think for a minute that Ian Huntley feels ANY remorse. He simply feels sorry for himself because he wasn't as clever as he thought he was, and he got caught.

henryhorn
09-04-07, 09:24 PM
I have to say I agree with Sooty, this isn't what prison should be..

Honeypots
10-04-07, 08:28 AM
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But if he was to die he would still have escaped that misery..where's the justice in that?? And how can he not live in fear?

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he won't have escaped anything..he was caught and he'd be dead..end of.. surely thats gotta be better. Why do we want to see them suffer for years and years? Is that not a bit sick? Personally, if it was my child he'd murdered I wouldn't want him to exist anymore....

MagicMelon
10-04-07, 09:35 AM
Escaped what misery though? What misery is he actually in?! None! He doesnt live in fear because what fear does he face? He has a comfy time in prison, is very well looked after, gets everything he wants when he "pretends" to be suicidal, is protected from ANYONE being nasty to him etc.! Doesnt sound like he's having too bad a time.

I cannot understand WHY they are bribing him to not try and kill himself. Simply take everything AWAY from him - put him in a padded cell and what harm can he do himself?????

The Original Kao
12-04-07, 09:27 AM
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I think they should give him the 'perk' of a long piece of a rope and something to hang it from personally http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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my sentiments exactly, i'm generally against the death penalty as its flawed, but wud happily see him die a slow painful death.

harrihjc
12-04-07, 11:18 AM
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This man stood in front of news cameras, stating how upset he was about Holly and Jessica's disappearance and how much he was helping with enquiries.

FFS you CANNOT get more calculating than that.

Personally I think the only way to deal with these people is solitary confinement - NO TV, NO DVD players, certainly NO Playstations (my boys would like one, am I infringing THEIR human rights by not letting them have one?!) A prison cell, absolutely NO human contact - that is the way it should be dealt with (however as a mother I think an hour in the cell with the family is more fitting, but that will NEVER happen).

You have to remember, prisoners like Huntley get 3 hot meals a day, heating, light, laundry done, etc. Prisoners are treated better than the elderly in this country and that stinks.

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I am totally with you on this one Weezy! I don't think he should be allowed to die as it is too easy, what he did was horrific and unforgiveable and he deserves every bit of suffering that can be thrown at him. It is not a human right to have a playstation and a TV, only food, water and shelter. So give him that and that only.