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apn8keh
22-02-07, 01:35 PM
New to this forum, but just wondered if anyone had a horse that has had same symptoms as mine.

He lives out 24/7 in same field for last 8 years. Is retired as was diagnosed with arthritic changes in hock at 4, he is nearly 12 now. Monday evening he was standing awkwardly, with his hind legs right underneath him & front legs trembling and sweating. Vet came out Tues morning & suspected azoturia so gave him a painkiller, vit E & selenium. This seemed to ease, but not stop the trembling & he was standing a bit more normal for a few hours. Blood tests showed no liver, kidney probs & not azoturia.

Following morning still standing awkwardly so vet prescribed 2 sachets of bute. He didn't like the taste of bute so probably didn't get the full dose. Today I have collected some Finadyne, vet says this is strongest painkiller available & 2 hours after administering he didn't seem to be standing any better. I also have Sedalin to give him this evening. He is still bright in himself & interested in grazing and food.

I was sure it was his arthritic hocks/fetlocks finally giving way, but the vet doesn't seem to think he would deteriorate so rapidly. He has never been on bute & was always sound & charging round the field until this weekend. Does anyone have any experience of how an arthritic horse deteriorates to the point it has to be PTS? Could he have laminitis?

Sorry for the long post, but vet seems pretty baffled & I don't want to keep him suffering longer than necessary bearing in mind the painkillers aren't really working.

Agent XXX999
22-02-07, 01:46 PM
Laminius?


I am probably way off there...

beaconhorse
22-02-07, 01:51 PM
are any other horses off colour?

amymay
22-02-07, 02:10 PM
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Laminitus?


I am probably way off there...

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If it wasn't azoutoria - Laminitus is what I would be thinking as well.

JACQSZOO
22-02-07, 02:33 PM
My first thought was laminitus. It has been very very mild and the grass is growing

Petrie
22-02-07, 02:34 PM
But wouldn't he have responded to the pain killers if it was laminitus?

amymay
22-02-07, 02:36 PM
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But wouldn't he have responded to the pain killers if it was laminitus?

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Horse sounds as if he's in a lot of pain - so not necessarily.

Loupride
22-02-07, 02:37 PM
Sounds like there is a good chance it could be laminitus to me...

apn8keh
22-02-07, 02:37 PM
No, all the other horses in the field are fine.

I suggested to the vet laminitis as the perculiar stance, sweating and trembling are all symptoms. He hasn't had any heat in his feet nor digital pulse. His diet hasn't been changed, he has just having alpha A and a couple of scoops pasture mix on an evening, and a bit of hay put out. I understand that the strange weather we've had could put the grass under stress & could trigger laminitis, also if he were putting too much weight on 1 leg could trigger it in the other 1.

He is a 16.3hh warmblood x and usually gets a bit plump in the summer as the grazing is good, so its strange to get it at this time of year.

Doesn't anyone thing it could be arthritis playing up? He had bony projections on his hock at 4, and had inflammation of his fetlocks at the time he was diagnosed with arthritis.

Enfys
22-02-07, 02:47 PM
Poor boy.
The stance you describe sounds like classic acute laminitus, is the vet treating him for this now? Is he in off the grass?

Very awkward for an arthritic when it is best for him to be moving around, but if he can't/won't move and it is laminitus then the arthritis just adds to his problems. Catch 22,presumably he needs to be out, but he needs to be restricted too. http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

My mare developed arthritis in her hind legs after a field injury, she then got cellulitis as well and as she couldn't be stabled and was simply miserable being handicapped within two months of her injury I had her PTS. That was not on the Vets advice, he wanted to carry on pumping drugs into her, but based on my own knowledge of her and her personality. Personally, in a situation like this I would be considering the pts option but only you can make that (or any) decison based on the fact that you know your horse better than anyone.

apn8keh
22-02-07, 03:24 PM
He is still out as he doesn't have a stable, as your right he is not good in. If I could use one he would have to travel in a horsebox to get there & he would be mega stressed to leave his mates. I don't think he could stand well enough to travel.

I was still feeding him pasture mix yesterday as it was the only way to get the bute down him, but I'm just going to give him alpha a & carrots tonight with his sedative.

I must admit I was ready to have him PTS yesterday when he was struggling to get about, but the vets were wanting to wait to hear back from the blood tests. I'll probably give him until the wekend to improve then ask the vet if he needs to be PTS. Its trying to balance giving him a chance to recover whilst minimising his suffering.

Enfys
22-02-07, 03:31 PM
Horrid situation to be in.

Had a thought about the bute, what is he like to syringe? We have used applesauce to disguise the bute and given it in a syringe before with horses that wouldn't take it in a feed.

You are right there, no point stressing the poor lad out more with moving him away from his chums unless you absolutely have to right now.

Good Luck and keep us posted please.

apn8keh
22-02-07, 03:57 PM
The Finadyne is in a syringe & he took it OK this morning, at least I know he had it all with the bute he just knocked his feed all over the place.

With his stance its a bit bizarre not typical laminitic on all 4 heels, he has got all his feet on the same spot right underneath his belly.

Anyhow, I'm going to give him the Sedalin now & wait to see if it has an effect (meant to take about 15 mins to work).

spaniel
22-02-07, 04:42 PM
Poor thing sounds in dreadful pain. I do hope you can find and treat the cause.

druid
22-02-07, 05:05 PM
I've just been pointed to this post - he sounds like a very typical grass sickness case

http://www.grasssickness.org.uk/main.htm

Please, please look into it

spaniel
22-02-07, 05:45 PM
Now you mention it druid, yes, this is a possibility and something you need to make your vet aware of. It may be that he has little experience of GS but it has to be taken very seriously if this is the problem.

can you update and let us know whats going on?

Llwyncwn
22-02-07, 05:58 PM
When the vet initially suspected azotoria, did he inject steroids by any chance ? If he did and IF it is laminitis then the steroids could cause the pedal bone to drop. Was the digital pulse normal in all four feet ?

I have no personal experience of grass sickness apart from what I have read. Did there appear to be any green gunge dripping from his nose?

Best of luck and please do keep us posted.

apn8keh
22-02-07, 06:54 PM
Yes I did panic about grass sickness at first, as the trembling and sweating are classic symptoms. I've pretty much ruled this out as it normally causes paralysis of the gut. His gut is making all the right noises, he's passing normal motions and is eating and drinking fine.

I've just come back from giving him his sedative & a bit of alpha a + carrots. He was still standing in the same position to eat, but I'm sure the sedative has helped a bit as he was quite happy to follow me back up the field & went trotting off to be with his companions. Obviously, he's not right but even if he's just a bit spaced out at least its giving him a bit of relief for a while.

I don't think the vet gave him any steroids, she just said Finadyne, vit E & selenium to try to ease the muscle trembling.

Sorry forgot to mention he doesn't have any nasal discharge & doesn't have a digital pulse or heat in any leg/hoof.

Fahrenheit
22-02-07, 07:48 PM
My old man has recently suffered from laminitis (age related), his pedal bone has dropped and rotated (confirmed by xrays) and he has been on bute 1 twice aday for the past 3 months and is having his 3rd set of heartbar shoes next week, so i sympathise with you greatly.
To me at first I thought sounds like tying up because of the muscle trembling but has that has been ruled out with blood test, my next thought was laminitis, my horse has been on box rest on a deep bed with his laminitis and painkillers for his laminitis. My horse no longer has a raised pulse to his foot and never had any obvious heat in the foot so don't be fooled if you can't feel any heat it could still be laminitis. I would rule out grass sickness has a) his motions are normal and b) he would have deterioated more by now (IMO).
I have been unfortunate to have experience all 3 dieases and they are not nice to deal with.

henryhorn
22-02-07, 09:40 PM
The grass sickness case I once saw was shivering and sweating, very depressed and had all his food returning via his nose, so not so sure it's that.Literally gallons of green gloop and very different to anything else.
I reckon it could be anything causing it from a tumour to a spasm somewhere, and all you can do is keep him comfortable and give him the painkillers.
I think there would be more evidence of laminitis despite the stance.
I have seen horses deteriorate with arthritis many times, but usually the pain killers alleviate the symptoms enough to make them comfortable.
Ask your vet to bring a colleague next time, it may just be he isn't seeing something another one would notice..
good luck, I hope you solve it. and do use a syringe for the bute, much easier.

Pidge
22-02-07, 10:11 PM
must admit I thought GS when read your post. trouble is they can still eat and drink if got this as Higgs did although not a lot. And it comes on very quickly. I really hope its not GS as its such a nasty disease and unfortunately most times the horse has to be PTS. Diagnosis is only possible by taking a sample from the gut I'm afraid.

Fahrenheit
23-02-07, 07:10 AM
Here are symtoms for each for you:
GS - Acute and Sub Acute cases, death occurs normally within 2 to 3 days, show signs of severe colic, regurgitation of fluid stomach contents down nose and paralysis of the throat. Muscles tremble in an uncontroled manner, initially there maybe diarrhoea but later NO DUNG is passed and if examined it is found faeces are hard and black.
EGS - Chronic cases, show dull adbomoinal discomfort and SEVERE loss of condition. Appetitie is poor to non existent and stomach contents are returned down the nose, the dung is hard and dry, horse stands with dipped back and feet bought together under body.
LAMINITIS - Acute cases, severe pain in feet and horse is generally distressed, sweating and trembling, the horse stands with the hind legs underneath the body in attempt to lessen weight bearing.

apn8keh
23-02-07, 08:48 AM
Just been down to gve him his painkiller & he loked pretty much the same, although he doesn't seem to be as hot and the shaking is pretty much confined to his shoulders. When I was giving him some carrots he did stand with 1 back leg in a more normal position for a while, but returned to usual stance when grazing. This was approx 10 mins after I gave him the paste, so I'm not sure it had taken an effect. The sedative would definately have worn off by now as it lasts about 6-7 hours.

I'm gonna go back now & watch him, then ring the vet as I need some more Finadyne to see him through the weekend.

amymay
23-02-07, 08:55 AM
I think it's probably time to take a bit more action on this one. He definately sounds as if he ought to be stabled and receiving some pretty intnesive care of one sort or another to me. Not sure if others agree.

But if your vet has absolutely ruled out something as simple as a bruised sole, or abcess, and your horse is not a wimp - then something is going on.

I would also be concerned about sedating a horse that is turned out and in the company of others. It sounds pretty dangerous to me tbh.

Fahrenheit
23-02-07, 09:33 AM
I agree I think its time to take more action, are you still feeding hard food? If so and its laminitis it could be why there isn't any improvement, horse IMO should be in a stable if this absolutely isn't possible should be separated into a small restricted area with pref no grass but soft not hard surface and hard food should be hit on the head and should just have water and ad lib hay, if its laminitis the intake of carbohydrates needs to be restricted to a minimum. But I really think you need to get the vet again now and don't be afraid to ask for a second vet or a more senior vet. As he isn't getting worse I don't think its grass sickness but it can't be ruled out, you really need a vet again and don't be afraid to be pushy as to getting an answer. If the vet suspected grass sickness the horse needs to be admitted to veterinary hospital asap for intensive nursing. When my mare had grass sickness they wouldn't take her (even thou my vet begged on my behalf) because she had already started to reflux and they said it was no point in spending the money as she had no chance of survival, so I had her pts. Cronic cases need to be caught early and it requires intensive nursing (at great expense. Please keep us informed, I hope it turns out alright, I even rang my vet this morning and he gave me the list of symptoms for each that I posted before.

Loopy_laura
23-02-07, 09:43 AM
why are you giving him sedalin?

Pidge
23-02-07, 11:54 AM
Oh please speak to your vet again. I really really hope it isn't GS.

Llwyncwn
23-02-07, 12:02 PM
I agree with HG. If its not an abcess in the foot, treat it as thought it was laminitis. DO NOT feed carrots as they are loaded with sugar. Give feed that is recommended by the Laminitic Trust, i.e. Spillers High Fibre Cubes, Hi Fi Light - no sugar beet and preferably un-fertilised hay with little value.

buzzles
23-02-07, 12:27 PM
one of our ponies showed symptoms similar to what you described a few weeks ago after the snow, we got the vet immediately and it turned out it was laminitis in the hind legs induced fom the frost. She also got slight azotoria aswell. She'd been standing in because of the snow and then when it started to clear I turned her out with another pony (who was fine). She'd never had laminitis before and was on very little hard feed, literally a handful of cool mix. The vet and farrier said it was very rare. Shes ok now, we fortunately caught it in time. I don't know if your horse was on frost but it might be worth looking into. I'd say definitely get the vet out again or a second opinion, I might be worth getting x rays of his feet/ hocks and blood tests done to find out what exactly is going on. Hope everything works out ok!

Snowberry
23-02-07, 12:59 PM
as others have said it sounds like a horse we had who got GS - I really hope that its not GS as the outcome is pretty [****], in most cases!
Our horse was exactly as you've described your horse and he was still eating, with no green snot. Even after 5days there was still no snot!
One of the things our vet did was take a photo of his eyes, apparently they droop? http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif It was a couple of years ago and very emotional but I cant remember exactly.
If you do suspect GS, please contact the people in Scotland - they have all the info you'll ever need!
Good luck

apn8keh
23-02-07, 08:05 PM
I've penned him in a corner of the field with just hay & a bit of alpha a & gave him his sedative. The poor ****** dragged me down to the pen for the feedbucket, but he paid the price when the adrenalin had worn off & was almost trying to sit on his bum.

The last bit of hard feed (couple scoops pasture mix) he had was the day before yesterday as I tried to mix the bute in it, and at the time we were waiting for the blood tests to reveal what was wrong. The vet prescribed the sedalin to try to treat for laminitis although she is not convinced this is the case. I'm worried that if it is, it is more likely to have been caused by him favouring one of his hindlegs over the very arthritic one rather than too much grass/frosts (we haven't had any recently). Even if he pulls through this time he is likely to have a relapse in future as he has been retired since 4 years old as the bony changes in his hock were so severe.

I will keep him confined and on painkillers over the weekend & the vet will see him Monday. I would like to get a second opinion as she seems to think it could be a neurological disorder & he needs a few weeks to sort himself out. I feel bad that we haven't alleviated his suffering yet. I know x-rays or nerve blocks are probably the only way to find out exactly what is going on, but he could not travel in this state.

Incidentally, whilst he was lying down today I was able to clean out his feet (he cannot stand on 3 legs while you do it) and I was tapping the toe, sole and wall with the hoof pick, he wasn't bothered in the slightest (he had had his Finadyne). Wouldn't that have been painful to a laminitic?

MagicMelon
23-02-07, 09:25 PM
I would possibly get another vet? Even from the same practice if you dont want to upset your usual one. No offence to your usual vet, its just good to get a different opinion as another vet may have different ideas of what it could be. We've had 2 vets out for horses in the past, and also the farrier too so they could all discuss it. The farrier is very good for hoof / feet problems so he should be able to tell you if its laminitis.

You can get nerve blocks and some x-rays at your home? Although I guess it depends what you want to take x-rays of.

Tapping off the hoof doesnt have to be painful for a lami. I tapped my girls feed when she had it and didnt react which I thought she would.

Really good luck with this, sounds very odd. But please do get a second opinion as soon as possible.

Llwyncwn
24-02-07, 05:40 AM
Just wondering about nerve blocks ... arn't they steroids? If this is the case I would be very concerned about injecting steroids into a horse who had suspected laminitis. Hope Im wrong.

Happy Horse
24-02-07, 05:53 AM
Nerve blocks are local anaesthetic not steroids so shouldn't be a problem. I think I'd be asking for a referral to a specialist equine vet by now.

Llwyncwn
24-02-07, 06:14 AM
Ahhh, thanks for correcting me. I too would be taking action now.

JACQSZOO
24-02-07, 08:24 AM
Any news?

laurag
24-02-07, 09:56 AM
Hi, Have just been reading your posts and just thought i'd tell you bout my horse which may or may not be relevant but could be prob?????

He had had chronic hind limb lameness due to susp injuries and various other probs but had got over these then last year about this time of year he started to look really uncomfortable and lame behind and needed bute, never needed before. He too stood with his back feet tucked under him, had v.good vet whi had known him through his probs. She said from her experience he looked as if he had severe pain in his sacro iliac area, he lay down an awful lot, was Very bad when first asked to walk but could loosen up a little. I was going to have him scanned but he was in so much pain and had such a history of probs I had him PTS which was heartbreaking. Vet said she had horse similar and had it post mortemed which revealed spurs of arthritis in sacro iliac joint which was causing severe pain. This could have been secondary to chronic back leg problems. This may be way off beam for your horse but just thought worth mentioning. It's gorrid to see them so uncomfortanble. My horses pain came on quite quickly not gradually over period of time and pain killers didn't seem to help him. HE had no trembling though, only when he stood up after being lying down, which I think was due to stiffness and pain. At the end he struggled to get up. He was only 6.
I really hope you get to the bottom of this prob and can help your boy.
x

henryhorn
24-02-07, 10:45 AM
I came back to see what your horse may have been diagnosed with but he doesn't really sound much different.
There is going to be a limit to how long you can keep him dosed up on sedalin and painkillers and had he been mine I would have perhaps asked for a second opinion by now.
I am always loathe to criticise a vet and yours does seem to have gone down the investigative path, but to leave you with a doped horse on painkillers until Monday really isn't good enough.
Are you sure he hasn't put something in his back out? If he is passing droppings and eating normally with no temperature ride to indicate infection the shaking and shivering just sound pain related, and I would see if you have a McTimoney practitioner locally. It won't harm for them to look at him and may give you a better idea of where he hurts..
I'm not getting at you at all, but I'm getting worrying signals re your vet.... surely if the horse is in this much discomfort they wouldn't just abandon you until Monday?

spaniel
24-02-07, 11:36 AM
I must say I do agree with HenryHorn on this one. I really couldnt wait until monday and would be asking for either your practice to attend today or letting them know (if they dont do weekends for some reason) that the horse is still very poorly and that I was calling in someone else on an emergency call out.

apn8keh
24-02-07, 06:12 PM
Update re Shankley.

He was penned in a small corner of field last night with some hay. Had clearly had a few rolls/lie downs through the night & had eaten everything up by this am. However, we had torrential rain last night & the pen was really muddy so I wasn't happy to leave him like this.

Having spent the whole night thinking it really probably was time to think about getting him dsetroyed I sought the opinion of a second vet (from a practice that specialises in horses). After a long discussion she said it was unlikely his hocks had deteriorated so badly that he would show such an abrubt change in behaviour & she also was not convinced about laminitis. However, she said to stable him, control his feed and give him a chance to pick up over the weekend. She also suggested that the 1 syringe a day of Finadyne was maybe not enough & I should try to increase the dose until I find the point at which his pain is eased.

So he has been in since lunchtime on a very deep bed of shavings. He has been down, but he was very nervous about doing it. He had enough Finadyne for 650kg & I will give him enough for 700kg tomorrow.

I'm quite intrigued by your post Laurag, as he has always had uneven hindquarters, which back lady said proably occured as a foal, by a hind leg slipping out from underneath him. His action has always been a bit crooked & I can't help thinking that it may have contributed to the early onset of arthritis in his hocks. I suppose the only way of finding out is post mortem? I will definately discuss this idea with the vet on Monday.

spaniel
24-02-07, 08:24 PM
Fingers crossed the opportunity to lie down under a goodly amount of painkiller will see him improve tomorrow.

Pidge
24-02-07, 10:50 PM
Have fingers and everything else crossed for you xxx

apn8keh
25-02-07, 07:47 AM
I think I am going to have him PTS today. He has lay down in the stable, but when I saw him go down last night he was groaning so much. He was on his knees for ages and the backend just wouldn't go & he banged into the back wall when he finally went. Wasn't even down for a minute & got back up. He was steaming with sweat all day yesterday, but I put a thin rug on last night so he didn't get a chill. It broke my heart this morning when I took it off it was absolutley soaked right through. He has been sweating profusely for 1 week now & that probably goes someway to explaining how much pain he is in. I think he is worse in as he isn't so confident about laying down & that is why he is sweating so much, because he hasn't been able to rest. Also, I think having a good roll was soothing for him.

I am absolutely convinced about it being is sacroiliac. His hindquarters are very different shapes & he was having a bit of trouble getting down to roll in the summer, but I put it down to his hocks. Sacroiliac problem would explain why it is afffecting both hind legs & with his history of arthritis and unevenesss it is much more plausible than laminitis.

I need to speak to a few people. They have been so kind to lend me a stable, I feel tight saying do you mind if I have him PTS in your garden. Maybe he would like to go back out and have a last roll. He is so well loved by everyone who lives in the village that walks their dog that it will be impossible to get any privacy.

dozzie
25-02-07, 08:07 AM
A brave decision. Ive watched this post but couldnt help.
Find a lovely spot and make the most of the last cuddles, I really feel for you, youve done your best. Sometimes you just know when theyve had enough.

Thinking of you.XXX

Murphs_Mum
25-02-07, 08:26 AM
Only just found this post. I can't help everything I would have guessed at has already been discussed. I think this has gone on long enough and if you aren't able to get him into an equine hospital I think you are making the right decision to end his suffering.

Pidge
25-02-07, 09:02 AM
I'm really sorry to hear that he's like this. It's a very difficult decision to make but I'm sure it's the right one. Like others have said it takes a brave person to take this decision to end their horses suffering. Thinking of you xxxx

Thistle
25-02-07, 12:31 PM
I really feel for you, think you are making the right decision though, (((((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))))))

Happy Horse
25-02-07, 12:44 PM
It sounds like the kindest decision after reading what you have posted. I hope it is ok for you.

spaniel
25-02-07, 01:51 PM
So sorry to hear this but I think its the best thing now.

laurag
25-02-07, 01:55 PM
I really feel for you and reading your posts brings it all back for me. My boy was obviously more comfortable down but really struggled to get up and it caused him to shake on all legs with the pain. They do sound suspiciously similar. The vet did say she could ultrasound his sacro iliac area through his rectum under sedation to confirm things but I just couldn't stand the thought of putting him through it. He went v. peacefully in the end and I like to think he's charging around somewhere better now like a young horse should and not suffering. I think the damp cold weather made it worse but it isn't an area which can be very well treated. I'm sure you will make the right decision. But it's so hard. Take care.

_jetset_
25-02-07, 01:55 PM
I think you have made the right decision having read this post over the past few days. But knowing it is the right one certainly does not makes things any easier does it?

I would take him to where he is happiest, let him have one last role and a lovely mouthful of grass. I am sure he will thank you for that. Then you can have cuddles and see him rolling in the field where he has been happy.

Rebecca x

LauraBR
25-02-07, 02:50 PM
I have also been following your posts. So very sad but it sounds as though the brave decision you have made is the right one.

RIP http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

paulo
26-02-07, 06:30 PM
Been following your posts.

Had tears in my eyes when reading it and big lump in my throat, thinking of you. Hope you are o.k , big hugs XXX

guisbrogal
26-02-07, 07:56 PM
What a lousy predicament to be in http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

I too feel you have made the right decision for him but I am sure that is of little comfort really.
Huge hugs to you http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

apn8keh
26-02-07, 09:50 PM
Just thought I should close off this post. I decided to let Shankley out onto the tiny paddock in front of his stable to have a roll. He came out snorting and whinnying & had a good few mouthfuls of grass. However, his shaking was horrendous & he took himself back into the stable within 5 minutes. He was drenched in sweat & breathing like he'd done the grand national. I ran to the phone & called the mobile no. for vet on call, only to be told that the shift had ended & I needed to call again to get another number! Without a pen I tried to knock on a door to borrow one & noone answered. I checked Shanks again & his breathing had eased & he was taking a lay down & looked quite peaceful. Now call me cruel but I decided that he wasn't meant to go on Sunday otherwise the right vet would have answered & it would have happened.

I spent Sunday taking him so happy hoof & carrots, and scratching his itchy bottom! Also, I started to look into the idea that he had Equine Motor Neurone Disease (which vet had initially suggested, but I'd dismissed thinking more likely his arthritis). He had every single symptom, muscle wastage in face of ravenous appetite, sweating, muscle fasciculations, excessive fatigue, standing all 4 feet on the same spot, constantly swapping weight from hindlimb to limb, lying down more than usual, respiratory distress. Only problem is that its only been confirmed in a handful of cases & usually affects horses stabled 24/7 & on diets deficient on vitamin E. He couldn't have been deficient as levels are high in grass & he had lived out 24/7 for his whole life. Anyhow, the disease is progressive, some show improvement, none have ever returned to work & all were dead within 3 years.

Realising that there really was no hope I called vets 1st thing Monday morning & requested the same vet to attend & contacted insurance to say that he was going to be destroyed on the grounds that he could barely stand let alone walk. Different vet arrived & said that even though he was happy to destroy on grounds of unnecessary suffering the insurers would not sanction his destruction because he was still eating & his leg wasn't hanging off. To get a diagnosis for the insurance his spinal cord would have to be removed and the neurons examined. This would cost more than the 1000 value he was insured for. Unfortunately, noone in the UK is researching this disease otherwise I would have offered his carcass to help with research. So he will go under the radar as undiagnosed.

I suggested the vet might like to see how bad he was outside to see if it might sway insurers & we actually videoed footage of him taking his last mouthfuls of grass as he staggered about, virtually sitting on his bottom and shaking uncontrolably. He had grown so weak over the last day that he actually went down horrifically on his nose as he tied to take a couple of steps. He seemed strangely at peace, lay flat out & stretched his legs out and sighed. He sat up and continued to graze, whilst the vet trimmed the hair from his neck. He was gently sniffing the vet to see what he was doing & lay back down to let him insert the needle. I'll never forget how peaceful he was as he said "hang on a minute I just want a couple more mouthfuls of grass". He sat up had a good few mouthfuls as the anasthetic was connected to the needle & he was gone in under a minute. No resistance, no muscle spasms, just a couple of deep breaths with his 2 mums gently stroking his neck & telling him what a good boy he was.

Patches
26-02-07, 10:03 PM
RIP Shankley.

Brought tears to my eyes.

sleepingdragon10
26-02-07, 10:05 PM
RIP Shankley. Glad he's not suffering anymore, although unfortunately that means that you are left to grieve. http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Bethxx

Tia
26-02-07, 10:05 PM
What a lovely post. I know it is incredibly sad but what feeling and kindness you have shown your boy. Keep him close in your heart and never let your lovely memories fade.

Sleep well Shankley. x

dozzie
26-02-07, 10:21 PM
You couldnt have done anymore and bless him you know made the right decision. We've all been praying for him and you in our own way.
So, so sad for you.

amymay
27-02-07, 06:52 AM
Ah, bless you. How terribly sad. You really do have my condolences.

And just to add, what your vet said about the insurers is rubbish!! If the vet says the horse needs to be destroyed - end of!

Murphs_Mum
27-02-07, 07:20 AM
You could not have done more for him. RIP x

Thistle
27-02-07, 07:30 AM
Poor lad and poor you. What a lovely peaceful end to a sad story.

Happy Horse
27-02-07, 10:26 AM
Such sad news but it sounds like he helped you to make the decision and he is now pain free and at peace.

I hope you will stick around on the forum now you have found it.

Bess
27-02-07, 11:59 AM
Very sad for you but it sounds like a peaceful end for Shankley, big hugs.

Judie
27-02-07, 02:17 PM
Thank you for sharing your closure with us, and what a genuine sincere horse owner you have been, what a lucky horse to have had you as his owner.

Thinking of you ....

Nari
27-02-07, 03:07 PM
I was in tears reading your last post but thank you so much for letting us know he went peacefully.

Thinking of you. X

fizz-tally
27-02-07, 05:22 PM
only just seen this post http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

rip & run free & painless xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Loopy_laura
27-02-07, 05:38 PM
my thoughts are with you at this very sad time x

Pidge
27-02-07, 08:03 PM
sat here with tears in my eyes. I'm very sorry for you, but Shankley isn't suffering anymore. thinking of you xxx

apn8keh
27-02-07, 09:46 PM
Thank you for all of your kind words. At times I didn't feel like a good owner as he was suffering terribly, but you have to give them a chance to improve. I'm currently researching the Equine Motor Neuron Disease theory, I'm going to contact an expert at the Roslin Institute to discuss the symptoms he showed. From what I've read by the time the tremors start more than 30% the neurons have died and there was absolutely no hope of him going into remission.

I'll try to keep you posted with what I learn.

Pidge
28-02-07, 11:59 AM
You did the right thing in getting him PTS when you did, please don't think for one minute you weren't a good owner. Please keep in touch there are lots of nice people on here and I personally find it very good for advice etc

guisbrogal
28-02-07, 11:44 PM
How dreadfully sad. I am so upset for you http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Well done on giving him a chance and then for ending his awful suffering. Huge hugs to you and sleep well sweet boy.
I hope that you can help with the research business.

Sparklet
01-03-07, 10:18 AM
What a brave and compassionate thing to do - RIP