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PetalPower
25-09-11, 04:11 PM
Sorry if this has been discussed before but I'm still stunned! To cut a long story short, I went to a Pony Club ODE last weekend and got disqualified for wearing Mountain Horse Richmond High Rider boots and their matching ridged stirrup treads!

I fully appreciate that it is in their rules (they showed me the rule book!) and I should have read them more carefully but never dreamed in a million years that something I bought to make me safer got me barred. The reason I was given for the ban is that 'the foot must be able to slip through the stirrup'.

This seems bonkers, since the whole safety aspect of them is to minimise the risk of the foot slipping and to release backwards when you fall off. I've had a read of the rules of BD, BE and BS and can't see the same rule in any of them

Has anyone else fallen foul of this rule or was I just unlucky, would love to know!!

PS Did compete in the end but had to buy a pair of chaps from the tack stand to match my rubbish jodhpur boots!

phoebeast
25-09-11, 04:14 PM
I don't understand it. Pony Club unfortunately seems to be a law unto itself 99% of the time, what the DC says goes and that tends to fall in line with fashion haha

Javabb94
25-09-11, 04:18 PM
how ridiculous :eek:

I have mountain horse supreme high riders with that sole on them, if i use them with normal stirrup treads ie so the sole and mh tread dont "lock" do you reckon that will be ok

frustrated
25-09-11, 04:21 PM
I know they brought the rule in this year. My daughter got told how dangerous they were when she was riding in dressage last year. :eek:
Totally nuts, the idea is that your foot won't slip out! which is totally wrong and in my mind the stirrup system is safer as the foot can't slip through the stirrup.
Would really like to know what other people think.
Would be even more curious as to what mountain horse think about the rule.

PetalPower
25-09-11, 04:22 PM
Apparently you can't do that either! I offered to take out the stirrup treads but the rules state you can't use the boots or the treads separately either!

I just don't understand why they would bar something that is in the interests of safety!

Oooooh, sorry, starting to rant!!!! Still cross and it was a week ago!

frustrated
25-09-11, 04:23 PM
Under the rules you can't use the stirrup treads or the boots on they own either.
I think the pony club as con bonkers with this rule:(

animal
25-09-11, 04:32 PM
Just from reading some posts on here, i think pc is 20 years behind the times tbh! The mh system is relatively new, so maybe they are being (over) cautious because they don'y know much about it?
Talk about useless rules, they have surely better things to do than pull people up for their type of stirrup!

Dubsie
25-09-11, 05:19 PM
The PC rules were probably written many years ago before MH developed their boot, and bear in mind that PC provide training and competition for kids on their own horses, you can see thre would be H&S requirements for the branch's insurances to be valid that H&S checks have to be made.

I would suggest you should complain to Mountain Horse and ask what they are doing about getting their boots PC approved.

hairycob
25-09-11, 05:25 PM
How long has this rule been in & does it apply to open comps run by PC branches like Hunter Trials or just inter PC comps?

Javabb94
25-09-11, 05:46 PM
That's ridiculous!!

I'm 5ft 11" and have 51cm height calfs and 32cm wide these boots are the only thing that fit me!

If you go on MH website it says if you use the boots without tread it's like riding in any other boot!!!

So they have banned a System that's safer!!

I don't use the treads but I have found my feet come out my bent iron stirrups better than when I use my Ariat jodhpur boots!!

I have just bought my pair of supreme high rider in august and they were 265 I expect to use them for all my comps obviously not now!
I'm not just going to go and buy a new pair as nothing else fits and they have been worn 3 times!!

Is there anyone at PC I could write to??

Doesn't look like I will join PC next year :/

Horsesforever1
25-09-11, 05:46 PM
I expect they ban troxel hats too. I ride in trainers with caged stirrups. I bet they ban those too. they are outdated and old fashioned fuddy-duddies.

Rowreach
25-09-11, 05:56 PM
Do not even get me started on the poxy Pony Club and their poxy out of date rules and complete lack of competent organisation at central level.:mad::mad:

I'm a trainer, assessor, and PC mother and I am so hot on safety I am boring, yet the Pony Club doesn't allow many of the modern safer designs of tack and equipment that is now available for us and our children to use.

My other gripe is that if you try to communicate with PCHQ they won't listen, won't reply to your emails and letters, and refer you back to your Area Rep who has usually already ignored you and dismissed your queries :mad:

I have already withdrawn my children from one area competition because having checked the rules I discovered we contravened them on several points, and I wasn't prepared to put my children at risk by changing their tack and equipment for "approved" things.

OP imagine if you didn't wear your boots and treads so that you complied with the rules and then something awful happened to you?:confused:

avthechav
25-09-11, 06:00 PM
I love the random pony club rules. A few years ago I took my (then baby) ex racehorse to do the open section in a mini PC event for one of her first outings. I was told that I could not wear spurs all day or a use a whip for dressage...(I am an adult but thats fine...its the rules)...as I stood waiting for dressage a girl went in to the arena with a continental gag with waterford mouthpiece- a queried it with the steward (who i knew quite well), and they said that they were not bothering with rules about bits as they wanted to encourage everyone!!! hahaha :D

legaldancer
25-09-11, 06:41 PM
I saw someone get hung up with those boots/stirrups because they were too "grippy". He had to hop alongside his horse trying to pull it up.Eventually he had to bend his stirrup upwards & away to release himself.

However, some rules are bizarre. When I first joined over 30 years ago I got publicly told off for turning up wearing a safety harness on my hat. Now all hats have integral harnesses! Apparently elastic was better!

Also, this year at team SJ, we had to change bits because the steward objected to my son's pony's slotted Kimblewick, despite us not using the slots (which is against rules). Gags, waterfords, pelhams all fine, but not a slotted Kimblewick!

PS They do ban Troxel Hats!

Gingerwitch
25-09-11, 06:53 PM
The pony club in general tends to be run by a load of people who's children have no tallant or affinity for horses and whom try and buy their way into the ribbons. If theri odious little precious cant make the team on his/her own volitaion then they tend to use mummy dearests infulence.

I honestly think that some of the folk whom run the brances should be barred from having little darlings in the same club - I have know the lives of many children tarnished by going to one of the clique pony clubs and a couple on our yard came back from camp this year and now the pony's are up for sale as they were made to feel so useless - and you know what, the little lad is brilliant - ok a bit agricultural in his riding but boy can he stick on anything - biggest problem is - mum and dad are minted and nice, little lad is tallented, pony is a proper pony - cost less than a grand and the boy is having to work his butt off to get it going. Fortunalty the market is so bad the pony has not sold, and I had a real good chat to his dad today and told his dad to never go to that group of pony club again. I took him for a blast round the stubble field tonight and am seeing a glimmer that the pony wont be sold - it would be such a shame if it was !

Adults that bully kids really should be ashamed of themselves.

Rowreach
25-09-11, 07:38 PM
There's many a branch run for the sole benefit of the DC's offspring :rolleyes: T'was ever thus ;)

PennyJ
25-09-11, 08:31 PM
There's many a branch run for the sole benefit of the DC's offspring :rolleyes: T'was ever thus ;)

And ever will be I fear.

How can your ordinary average family ever hope to "compete" against a family which has the wherewithal and wish to spend five figure sums on ponies/horses for their child, so their child makes it into all the teams? And the transport to match so they are able to travel "long haul" without having to worry about breakdowns etc etc... We left Pony Club a couple of years ago now, and I have to say I don't think our lives are much poorer for doing so...

Gingerwitch
25-09-11, 09:02 PM
Arh but Penny - what they cant buy is the look of glee on a childs face when they get the horrid 13.2 welshie through the water complex ! You know the type of pony that just throws a strop every so often and makes its kids fall off loads, but has a heart of gold really and adores its little masters.

Tell me how often you see these spoilt kids with a smile on their faces, and the best part about it is when the mother is giving spoilt kid a right ole rollocking for only getting 72% on a horse that cost the same as her first house !

You have to pity them really - they will never know the buzz of doing something on their own or working for something and just see how many top end ponies they get through - oh and just wait till they get onto horses and it all goes to pot :)

Boysy
25-09-11, 09:56 PM
Our PC must be a bit lacksadasical, my daughter rides and competes in a Hackamore with a Troxel helmet with a PC approved purple tag thingy on it. The only thing she isn't allowed her Hackamore for is dressage. Our DC didn't even realise that she needed written permission for the bitless - LOL!

scrunchie
25-09-11, 09:59 PM
I've been thinking about letting my daughter join PC for quite some time but I've always been worried that we won't fit in. I didn't come from a horsey family so I've no idea what to expect.

Is it worth it?

Honey08
25-09-11, 10:15 PM
I think some of these posts are a bit harsh/petty!

My step son is a pony club member. Yes they can drive me mad some of the time, and it can be a bit committee central, but thats usually because nobody else bothers to help. I've run a couple of things for our local branch this year, and its shocking how many mothers sign their kids up for things and then don't turn up or even bother to tell you. No wonder some team managers use their own kids for teams - they know they'll show up! My son also has a average cob type pony that didn't cost the earth, yet it has taught him so much confidence wise, and regularly beats the expensive ponies in all disciplines. Just because they buy expensive animals for their darling kids doesn't mean the darling kids can ride them!

As for the rules, the club has always been based on structure and discipline, which I personally think more kids should know today. If certain boots haven't been accepted by the rules yet its probably because they have to check out from a legal aspect if they're safe etc - one poster on here has a story of an accident involving them... Quite a few of pc parents would not wait to sue if darling kid was injured, so everything has to be covered. The health and safety aspects that come into pc are unbelievable nowadays.

Scrunchie, definately find a pony club to join and don't worry, there are all sorts of people and children at them. Within each area (region) there are usually a variety of branches - some are more competitive than others, some are fairly low key. What they all generally have is a wealth of fun and instruction for children, and 90% of children love pony club.

Dubsie
25-09-11, 10:43 PM
I agree that some posts here are a bit harsh. I don't think campaigning to PC is the way to go, definitely campaign to the manufacturer for PC approval - which they should do as they'll surely sell a lot more?

I worried would we fit in with PC, and surprisingly it's fine. Not met anyone with really posh or expensive horses, most have the hard work type (you know the sort that try to evade the jumps or stick their head down, typical pony!) that cost a couple of grand or a lot less, or a loan pony, and it's the kids who go to the training sessions and actually improve that get chosen for the teams. I heard the DC turning down a girl with a lovely pony for the one team because although she would probably score extremely well for the branch she hadn't put in any effort at all over the year.

Most parents have ancient trailers and equally old cars to tow, only the farriers kids and one or two others seem to have boxes. My daughter has made loads of friends, and actually a lot of the parents are quite down to earth and a lot of fun. And the cakes are good. Yes there are the stereotypes and yes the DC is a stickler - but we wouldn't do half so well (in minimal time) at tack & turnout without the discipline taught and then drilled in for rallies. It's actually speeded daughter up so much in getting the pony ready that we have loads more time and never feel rushed for getting to events and competitions now.

I'd suggest have a look round at the PCs locally, there's usually a couple you can get to in most areas that are fairly well populated, see what each offers, whre they train and how easy it is to get to. Some do more than others, some focus on certain disciplines, so see what suits - look at their calendars and see what's on. Then go and visit while they have a rally or a training session, see what is involved and meet a few people. If you like it then join, if not perhaps try a riding club, some have very good junior sections.

Tnavas
26-09-11, 04:46 AM
How glad am I that here in New Zealand Pony Club and Horse Society have merged rules, the only exception is that Pony Club has a gear check prior to competition.

A few years ago there was initially concern over the mixed use of the Mountain Horse range but it was decided that the boots were very safe to use.

hairycob
26-09-11, 05:16 AM
Do look around & find a branch that suits you. Our local branch is fairly small & not snobby at all. When my son joined he had a 22 yo ex riding school pony. I only got into riding at 40 so know how intimidating it can seem when every body else seems to have been born on a horse

tinap
26-09-11, 06:06 AM
Well I see both sides of pc!! My daughter is a member at a very working man's club!! We're all common as muck (& proud of it lol!!) , have to do everything on the cheap & no-one gives two hoots if you turn up on a scruffy, hairy pony wearing a 20 bridle as long as they are clean & safe!! & I must say they are the best bunch of kids & parents ever!! We've only around 45 members (high unemployment & lack of horse owners in the area) but they all get on in a great gang!! & we are pretty relaxed in the rules (ie - you can wear a red jacket, coloured numnahs & bling)

Which then brings me to the other side of kids being eliminated or not allowed to compete at area because they have 1 diamonte on their spurs!!! What harm can that lonesome diamonte do??!!!! I do really think the rules need a really big update!!!!

jomiln
26-09-11, 06:10 AM
Going back to the Mountain Horse boots we fell foul of this rule in July at an Area Competition we had done the dressage with no problem but the tack checker at the show jumping told us we couldnt compete in these boots - this rule has come in this year.
Again we bought these boots as they fitted.
I did contact Mountain Horse who said they had a warning that they werent useable at PC on the childrens boots pages but as my daughter is 16 we were buying adults boots so no warning was visable.
They have now changed the wording on their website and have asked all their retailers to do so as well which I noticed Derby House where I got our boots from changed their website that week.
I did then have to go down the Boots & Gaiters route just for Pony Club!!!!

Tnavas
26-09-11, 06:14 AM
tinap555
The problem then if one diamante gets through the next time someone has two and so on. A lot of the presentation is an etiquette thing and gives the sport its elegance. It never matters how much something costs as long as it is safe, clean and in good order.

Most of my stuff is second hand - I look for expensive gear that someone else is selling off - I get the best of both worlds that way without the expense.

Anyone who competes needs to know the rules and if they don't they need to read them before entering a competition so they avoid any risk of being eliminated for an infringement.

tinap
26-09-11, 06:19 AM
Oh I understand that Evelyn but what I mean is why not let them wear bling?! They are kids (most of them) & it doesn't hurt!!

Most of our members live off ebay! I've got some cracking 2nd hand tack too & luckily I am really gend up on the rules as my daughter competes at quite a high level - its just frustrating trying to explain to the newer kids/parents why you can't have that diamonte though :D xx

Horses24-7
26-09-11, 06:32 AM
I'm planning on joining my daughter in the new year, can anyone from the midlands (Nottingham) area pm me any advice as to which branch to join?

Really don't want to join one full of stuffy people! ;)

I just want my daughter to have fun with her pony and not made to feel pressured and inadequate!

Thanks x

pricklyflower
26-09-11, 06:36 AM
I haven't joined our PC this year as after camp last year my daughter came home in tears after the DC screamed at her for rinsing out her pony's feed bucket. It's what we do at home. We've also had some issues with the DC at other club events where she wants her child to jump bigger in their class at PC and at every other club too and I was one of the only ones to stand up and say I wasn't happy. Now at every event the family are at I get snidey

pricklyflower
26-09-11, 06:38 AM
Sorry! Bloody phone!

I get snidey comments and dark looks. Not very professional from a DC! We won't join PC this year either because of it.

tinap
26-09-11, 06:43 AM
That's awful - no need for a dc to behave like that :( I would find another club - they're not all like that :)

pricklyflower
26-09-11, 06:52 AM
We live on an island so there are no others :-(

tinap
26-09-11, 06:55 AM
Oh that's a ****** :( xx

Arabelle
26-09-11, 06:57 AM
It really does vary from branch to branch, some are fine and reasonable. Sadly it just takes one vicious old bat who has the time to take over, fiercly impose every petty stricture in the rule book and built up a coven of harpies to ruin it for everyone :mad: There is a branch like that near me and pathetically some mums have developed a clique to try and overthrow the nasty dictator - these are adult women running a club supposedly for the benefit of children and their ponies! Pathetic.

smiggy
26-09-11, 07:08 AM
Had similar in mounted games Zones comp last year, son had perfectly normal jodphur boots and perfectly normal treads that we had used all season, at tack check some one randomly decided that the boot soles were too ridged and not allowed!
Their suggestion was that we removed the stirrup treads, now honestly with kids leaping on and off ponies, whats more likely to cause an issue, normal boots and treads or slippy stainless steel :confused:
luckily had spare pair of very very slightly different treads in the van that were deemed acceptable
Also nearly not allowed to do one competition as saddle was missing one girth guard :confused:

TGM
26-09-11, 07:12 AM
How can your ordinary average family ever hope to "compete" against a family which has the wherewithal and wish to spend five figure sums on ponies/horses for their child, so their child makes it into all the teams?

It can be done - we have never spent a five figure sum on a horse or pony and my daughter has regularly competed in teams and was in fact part of the winning Intermediate Dressage Team at the Pony Club Nationals this year. Yes, she has had to work her butt off and we have sacrificed many 'normal' things like holidays, new clothes etc.

But I have got to say that the training she has got through the Pony Club has been superb and much cheaper than we could have got it elsewhere and she wouldn't have achieved half of what she has without the educantion and support gained through the Pony Club.

Yes, like any organisation there are things that rankle and could be better, but I would hate any parent to be put off by this thread and their child miss out on the opportunities that my daughter has had.

hunting mad
26-09-11, 07:16 AM
I have mountain horse long boots that i wear for "outtings"
I have to wear these as i have a disability with my foot and ankle and these are the only boots i have been able to get on.
they are discriminating against someone with a disability:rolleyes:

jrp204
26-09-11, 07:43 AM
Maybe we're lucky, my daughters have been members of the Four Burrow Hunt PC for the past 8 yrs and we have never found it cliquey or bitchy. It seems (particularly in the last couple of years) that the ones with the expensive ponies, mainly BS don't join anyway. There is never any pressure/competition to get onto teams either, my daughter has represented PC in area comps for the past 4 yrs, qualifying this year for the int. sj. There was definately no pressure for her to go to the champs, the DC is very aware of the costs involved and it is a 10hr drive to Draycott.
I do agree however that the rules can be extremely irritating, don't get me started on spur certificates! Daughter was hauled up at an area for having a metal studded browband, it was very subtle and not at all 'blingy' (as if) they did let us through eventually. If kids want to go xc in short sleeves, why shouldn't they, daughter has BE'd in short sleeves and at the pc ode had to go find another shirt.

Rowreach
26-09-11, 08:00 AM
scrunchie it really does depend on your branch. We went to a branch in the RoI for a while when our local one fell apart (a small scandal which PCHQ managed to sweep under a large carpet:rolleyes:) and it was lovely, friendly and all about scruffy children on scruffy ponies having loads of fun - there was a picture in the Irish annual report which said it all - a rundown yard full of kids and ponies which was our summer camp :D - during which time the kids had a day of instruction with Ian Fearon :eek: chef d'equipe of the Irish juniors :) Because of the distances we were having to travel though, we went back to the branch in the north when it was resurrected.

If you are lucky you'll be in an area where you can pick and choose your branch and find one that suits you and your children. It's not all bad at branch level, and from my POV it helps my kids to socialise with others and means they are not constantly being taught by me :o I can't be a***d with the politics though :(

Shazzababs
26-09-11, 08:20 AM
When I was in the PC I got eliminated for having 3 different colours on my saddle cloth. It was grey with black binding and white piping.....

legaldancer
26-09-11, 08:45 AM
I posted earlier about the near accident i witnessed with the boot/tread combination.

I would like to say however, despite agreeing that there are some strange rules, Pony club has been great for us & I would thoroughly recommend it. I was in the same branch as my son is now & the DC is the same! We've met people from all over the county & have had some wonderful competing opportunities. PC camp is fantastic.

Just like a school, you will get some pushy parents, but most are just normal, pleasant people. Do remember that the people who run the branch are volunteers & give up a lot of their time even long after their children have left. It's not all about personal gain!

horsemadmum1
26-09-11, 08:57 AM
IME some of the rules need revising. I am referring to mounted games where there is always a tack check. We tried a pony at a comp and it had a saddle with fixed stirrup bars so the leathers could not slip off. This saddle had passed multiple tack checks yet I thought it was the most dangerous piece of equipment-what if they child's foot caught in the (non-safety) stirrup iron?

HeatherAnn
26-09-11, 10:43 AM
I never got the chance to go to pony club as horses were never something my family were interested in, but at a riding school I used to work in, they had a pony club and it was great, all the kids were little stars. The difference with this pony club was that you use the school horses and ponies and you were assigned a horse that would suit you, there were a lot of horses on the school so the kids had a couple of ponies to choose from. I think there's always going to be one horrible person that ruins it for everyone.

frustrated
26-09-11, 12:13 PM
Yes the pony club has strange rules, yes the clubs are a law unto themselfs, yes some kids/families have tons of money, some familys have non.
I've always found that most people are supportive, lessons/oppotunities etc afforable.
We are not well off, we live in a semi and have one car (10 year old Disco) we have three ponies keep on grass livery. We don't have holidays or days out really, but the pony club has allowed my children to compete at a level that they could never have dreamed of.
We hae been to the national championships in teams and as individuals, my childrens confidance has grown ten fold.
They are people with in our pony club that have a lot of money and have paid huge amounts for extremely good ponies, i would like to defend them, they are on the whole well spoken, smiley even when they have lost or they pony have gone lame.
The ones that have achieved very well within the pony club on the whole have done so because of hard graft and determination, some times im amazed at the effort that has been put in.
We have international riders that have silver spoons in ther mouths in eventing, dressage and showjumping money has helped but its not the whole story.
I was always told that good riders make good horses it something that we should all remember when the green eyed monster of jeolously is around.

tinap
26-09-11, 12:21 PM
^^^^^ Here here!! :D

TGM
26-09-11, 12:43 PM
^^^^^ Here here!! :D

Ditto!

monte1
26-09-11, 01:33 PM
Ref joining pony club, I would have to agree with TGM they do vary from region to region and you will always get a few arrogant people who have - " all the gear but no idea" but we are lucky to have a wonderful pony club branch who have great instructors and a very supportive and enthusiastic DC. (she even came to main camp this year and camped out for most of the week to take photos and get involved) my daughter loves going and has attended several mini camps and this year for the first time main camp and had a brilliant time- I can't imagine anyone being shouted at for rinsing out their feed buckets- poor child...... maybe for not doing it though ..LOL.

We, like many of you are not rich, we scrimp and save and buy our tack secondhand from ebay etc have an old but well looked after trailer and did not have the perfect pony, far from it and my daughter was a pretty nervous rider, constantly falling off and had to work very hard with her beloved rescue centre loan pony from the age of 8 till about 12, but ,she stuck in there went to the rallies, did the work and turned him into a super little chap and did it while many other parents and children were getting through two or three different ponies in the same time. when she finally outgrew him last autumn we loaned and then bought a very nice pony who did not cost the earth but was a lot of money for us! she still has to work with her. but, what she leaned with her first pony has set her in good stead, she is now very confident, (sometimes to much so!) has an independent seat and knows how to treat her pony fairly and has been lucky enough to compete at many places she would never have dreamed of without pony club, like Hickstead and the Mini champs and had a blast!
our pony club actively support all it's members especially the younger minis and often send two or three teams to events so that everyone gets involved and our club still manages to do very well and get in the ribbons most of the time - so they must be doing something right!

please dont be put off , I am sure your child will have a great time, the parents all seem to enjoy it as well and I have made some great friends and so has my daughter :-)

Gingerwitch
26-09-11, 02:03 PM
Hey - we have 4 pony clubs in my local area and its only the one that is so up its own bum its untrue. Do you know if you want to move a pony club - unless is due to a house move you cannot compete in the new pony clubs teams for a year.

I honestly would never want anyone to be put off from going to pc - but just a warning that at some of them you need to be of a certain kind - either rich beyond your wildess dreams, so tallented you could get a pot bellied pig round hickstead, or a yes man (well lady), or just have a knack of keeping yourself to yourself.

Now another pc by us is FANTASTIC - you rock up and before the ramp is down, you have a wine glass in your hand - and a comfy chair being pulled up for you - now thats my kind of pony club.

TheoryX1
26-09-11, 02:41 PM
The pony club in general tends to be run by a load of people who's children have no tallant or affinity for horses and whom try and buy their way into the ribbons. If theri odious little precious cant make the team on his/her own volitaion then they tend to use mummy dearests infulence..

Am in agreement that some PC rules are daft and old fashioned. However, as a PC branch secretary and a PC mother I do disagree with that comment totally. Our PC branch is by no means perfect, but I can assure you that the kids who go to Area most definitely do have talent and affinity with their horses. As a branch we do regularily qualify either a team, or a couple of individuals for the national champs - the kids that go there certainly do have talent. I have never seen anybody try to buy their way into the ribbons, and in fact if they tried that with our DC then they would have to be extremely brave indeed.

PC is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, it is like any organisation - imperfect, I would not wish to have to work at a senior level in it, no way. However, my daughter has had several years of fun going to residential camp, latterly Easter camp, which is aimed at the older ones, she's qualified for the nationals 3 years running and actually was on the winning open dressage team last year, and was on the team that came 3rd the year before and also went on our open eventing team last year. She has learned loads, made friends, as have I.

As they say, one mans meat is another mans poision. Most of our top riders went to PC as children, so it can be all that bad.

Rowreach
26-09-11, 02:57 PM
As I said above, at branch level it depends on the branch, but the OP was posting about PC rules and I have first hand experience of these, of trying to communicate with those running the PC at central level, and of the way volunteers whom the PC describe as "the backbone of the PC" are treated when push comes to shove. If my experiences are largely negative, then that is what I will post about. Doesn't make me jealous of anyone :)

dafthoss
26-09-11, 03:04 PM
I think the key point here is to read the rules before you compete so that if you do get your tack checked you know you will pass, the rule do say that random tack checks may happen.

To the poster who doesn't want to let their child join pony club (sorry I'm on my phone it's not that easy to find your post again) do some research and find a club that suit you. I did before I joined and I was still nervous before our first rally I also posted loads on here about it as I'm not a child any more but I'm still able to join. I can honestly say it's been the best pony year I've had, my boy has gone from never having seen a xc jump to loving xc even if he can still be green, he has gone from taking ages to settle away from home to just getting on with it and we have both had great fun. My mum was very nervous about coming as she is not horsey but they all take the time to explain any thing to her and never make her feel different. Yes we have had a few moments (*cough* massive tantrums) but all the mums helped and it has never been an issue again. There is no way I could have got as many eyes on the grounds opinions and advice without pony club, how many places have that many instructors around if you have a problem? and I can gaurantee that me and my pony would not have achieved half as much this year without pony club.

PetalPower
26-09-11, 04:59 PM
As the author of the OP, I totally agree with you, dafthoss, should have read the rules more thoroughly. Having competed there with no problem before I honestly didn't expect that rule to be there, not knowing that it only arrived this year. Still think it's a daft rule when it's not in the rulebook of BD, BE, BS or BRC but I have no quarrel at all with the Pony Club itself.

The event I went to is one of my favourites, mainly because it is really well run, they take the checks seriously and check everyone, not just randomly, before all 3 stages which can only be a good thing for safety purposes.

They also went out of their way to accommodate me whilst I searched for acceptable kit and let me do my dressage half an hour late, for which I was very grateful as I would have lost quite a few quid (I'm a very poor horse owner!) if I'd had to go home.

It certainly won't stop me entering PC events in future, I'll just keep my old MH Sportives in the Disco. just in case!

Javabb94
26-09-11, 09:54 PM
Not sure if been mentioned

But on derby house website it now says under richmond high riders that they are accepted by BS, BE, BD but not accepted under pony club rules

MrSpam
26-09-11, 11:29 PM
Think I may have been at the same ODE :)

I think the smooth sole on boots rule has been around for more than a year.
I make an effort to read the rules at the start of each season only because a few years ago I offered to help steward at an area dressage competition. I couldn't believe how long the briefing was and how much discussion about suitable and unsuitable tack, clothing etc. At that event several riders had to change their clothing/tack at short notice. Top tip - go to the tack check early; some officials are more lenient than others. We have Barnsby (I think - can't remember) buckles on our stirrups, so the stirrup falls off and you cannot get dragged. They often cause alot of discussion, but haven't been asked to take them off yet.

I like the PC, it's been great fun, even with its old fashioned rules - nothing better than having to turn your numnah over, because it has piping on it!

monte1
27-09-11, 09:03 AM
I like the PC, it's been great fun, even with its old fashioned rules - nothing better than having to turn your numnah over, because it has piping on it![/QUOTE]

hear hear, or your browband over cos it has "bling" on the other side !! LOL

charlie76
27-09-11, 09:14 AM
i have had to turn my browband inside out for a PC event,I was even more stunned as I was actually in my late twenties and the event was open to outsiders, I also had to take my stud earring out- it was like going back to school!